From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:57:56 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <8761dnn5nf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87mw72lyzs.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205190925.GA5067@thyrsus.com> <20141206061019.GC14890@thyrsus.com> <83ppbx1aag.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417946427 29185 80.91.229.3 (7 Dec 2014 10:00:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 10:00:27 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 07 11:00:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxYdX-0000Kl-Vt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:00:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57520 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxYdX-0000cI-Iq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 05:00:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50116) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxYdO-0000bc-F3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 05:00:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxYdI-0003Y6-Ig for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 05:00:10 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:39623) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxYdI-0003X6-Cn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 05:00:04 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxYdH-0000CS-J8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:00:03 +0100 Original-Received: from x2f4fd17.dyn.telefonica.de ([2.244.253.23]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:00:03 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by x2f4fd17.dyn.telefonica.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:00:03 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: x2f4fd17.dyn.telefonica.de X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:OVid0OKu2qREDO/g8Xdn+Nzzi9k= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179256 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Unfortunately, I don't remember the conclusions of our previous > discussion of replacing Info format. Maybe someone can look for > it in the archives. > > > In sum, switching to a Web browser as the means to read documentation > > is a regression. > > I agree completely. > > Using HTML instead of Info format would be a big improvement, since > HTML is more flexible and can represent a wider range of contents. > > However, unless we have an HTML-based Info reader with the same handy > features that the current Info reader has (for instance, the commands > n, p, u, m, i, SPC, search through multiple nodes), it would also be a > big step backward. One big advantage of Info is the instantaneous response partly due to the preformatted content. At least the parsing should hopefully be workably fast when relying on libxml2 like eww, to my belief, does. But we still need to reflow. -- David Kastrup