From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:20:12 +0100 Message-ID: <8761dif6ib.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87ppbqb6s1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9x2f9me.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a92uf8ik.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418318445 26122 80.91.229.3 (11 Dec 2014 17:20:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 11 18:20:38 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz7Pp-0002fh-Pg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:20:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52749 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz7Pp-0003RV-BE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:20:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54988) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz7PT-0003Pf-Hb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:20:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz7PS-0007pj-ID for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:20:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48038) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz7PS-0007pd-Cm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:20:14 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55214 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz7PQ-00049U-Pp; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:20:13 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0ECBFE664E; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 18:20:12 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:43:41 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179802 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 5:36 PM, David Kastrup wrote: >> Lennart Borgman writes: >> >>> My point is maybe a bit unclear. It matters a lot what search engine >>> you have and how you feed it with information. In the small project I >>> linked to I have had rather minimal success with Google CSE. So I >>> switched to OpenSearchServer and there I can do a lot of things I just >>> could imagine before. (This is just a small free time project, but >>> still a bit important, perhaps.) >> >> I don't buy that. It will have its best case scenario for stuff not >> actually written/maintained in Texinfo (or something providing similar >> information amounts) and consequently completely missing any useful >> index. With that starting point, a search engine is better than >> nothing. Against a reasonably well-maintained manual index, however: no >> comparison. > > I don't understand your argument. What has the well-maintained manual > index to do with the format the user sees? The index just does not > disappear if you are using a web browser. Or, does it? ;-) You were proposing to replace the Info search possibilities with a search engine. So it's up to you to explain what you mean. As for the index not disappearing: it's not accessible from arbitrary nodes since it is not even loaded into the browser unless you load the "one big page HTML" and then _all_ navigation becomes cumbersome, including but not limited to the index. -- David Kastrup