From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:28:05 +0200 Message-ID: <87612a7my2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <5610207A.2000300@harpegolden.net> <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <871tcyexa9.fsf@fimbulvetr.bsc.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444753790 26809 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2015 16:29:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:29:50 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 13 18:29:50 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2SS-0005Sn-4E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:29:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37306 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2SR-0000Tr-Ca for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:29:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40508) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2Qq-0000ER-3Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2Qp-0002aH-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37589) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2Qp-0002aC-3V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:28:07 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51407 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm2Qo-0006g1-I0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 12:28:06 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 03B43DF4F8; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 18:28:06 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Tue, 13 Oct 2015 09:03:57 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191496 Archived-At: "John Wiegley" writes: >>>>>> Llu=EDs writes: > >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> [...] >>>> For C/C++, the community has Irony and Rtags, both based on libclang. = If >>>> libclang is unacceptable for you, you probably know a more appropriate >>>> mailing list to bring that up at. > >>> Let's not reiterate past discussions: you forget CEDET. > > CEDET first came out in 2003. If it were the answer to our present > questions, we would not be asking them. But since it did come out in 2003, we really should be asking _why_ it isn't the answer to our present questions, in order to avoid the effort of creating CEDET2 and CEDET3. > I'm willing to hear how CEDET can offer solutions to issues we've > brought up, but I won't curtail the discussion "because CEDET". I don't think the idea is to curtail it but rather to _shape_ it. If we decide we need $x and CEDET provides $x, then either we haven't fully figured out the details of the $x we need or CEDET does something wrong when providing it. Figuring out either will hopefully save us time in arriving at something actually doing what we want. --=20 David Kastrup