From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ivan Shmakov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please post older versions of GNU Emacs manuals on the web Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 06:33:49 +0000 Message-ID: <8760zbw4s2.fsf@violet.siamics.net> References: <1e249214-6831-4c2b-98a4-d16a6d1d7048@default> <83a8onc3vc.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451802854 22587 80.91.229.3 (3 Jan 2016 06:34:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 06:34:14 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 03 07:34:07 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aFcEw-0002Lb-9g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 07:34:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40598 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFcEv-00083D-7B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 01:34:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38014) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFcEr-00082y-1q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 01:34:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFcEp-0007Jg-KO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 01:34:00 -0500 Original-Received: from fely.am-1.org ([2a01:4f8:d15:1b86::2]:35324) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aFcEo-0007Jc-UJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 01:33:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=siamics.net; s=a2013295; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:Sender:References:Subject:To:From; bh=tYxpIolbHr+kd7IQMfQguuyM2LC7JThynSjIPCC61iA=; b=ecUz2yHwWsz+a6uH4itTBMlXPsYxgB9eudv8jlq0cUHewOK9GyOkHpEiGSyMpoOESKwTb0d3wBRBgkBzTIV7Fd/LXihC0H/1nd7YKSqcL7BtVT2a50KvQcaf4BVRmHkkRWg8XptiWWkfOepDwZAo8o4jAAbU7BuMS/2iBeNO21o=; Original-Received: from violet.siamics.net ([2001:470:1f13:1eb::1:1d]) by fely.am-1.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aFcEn-0005aY-Cb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 06:33:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=violet.siamics.net) by violet.siamics.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1aFcEg-0006Wn-GB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2016 13:33:50 +0700 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 2 Jan 2016 09:19:04 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:4f8:d15:1b86::2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197419 Archived-At: >>>>> Drew Adams writes: [=E2=80=A6] > Sure, the Wayback Machine is a great resource, and the Internet > Archive responsible for it is a great place to visit in San > Francisco. > But telling users to look to Internet archives (or to just google for > =E2=80=9Cdefadvice emacs=E2=80=9D) does not really answer my question of= =E2=80=9CWhy not?=E2=80=9D > or respond to my proposal. I see no reason we can=E2=80=99t do both: we can tell the users (or, rather, their UAs) to use the Wayback machine by providing links to the archived pages at http://gnu.org/s/emacs/manual/ =E2=80=93 as well as all the Emacs documentation pages referenced there. With some effort, we could probably even link to the documentation for specific Emacs versions from there. > IMO we should offer Emacs users easy online access to the manuals for > older Emacs versions, the same way we offer them easy access to the > recent manuals and to both the recent and older versions of the > software. > This is the least we could do to help users and show them respect. > It should not be easier to find information about older releases of > Oracle, Apple, Microsoft, or IBM software than it is to find such > info for Emacs. I tend to agree that providing documentation for at least the latest releases of all the major versions is a well-established practice in the field, and I know of no reason why GNU in general =E2=80=93 and not just Emacs =E2=80=93 can=E2=80=99t follow it. --=20 FSF associate member #7257 http://am-1.org/~ivan/ =E2=80=A6 3013 B6A0= 230E 334A