From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tom Tromey Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 21:17:38 -0600 Message-ID: <8760oyntm5.fsf@tromey.com> References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <86k2dk77w6.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <642fd4b4-8b1c-a537-5a5f-6940691ec4b9@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476242348 19417 195.159.176.226 (12 Oct 2016 03:19:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 03:19:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 12 05:19:03 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1buA46-00024m-1r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Oct 2016 05:18:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58916 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1buA44-0003JI-DM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 23:18:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55572) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1buA3U-0003JC-En for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 23:18:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1buA3Q-0004r7-8Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 23:18:07 -0400 Original-Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com ([67.222.39.168]:34064) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1buA3P-0004ma-WA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 23:18:04 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 30129 invoked by uid 0); 12 Oct 2016 03:17:46 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2016 03:17:46 -0000 Original-Received: from box522.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.122]) by cmgw2 with id uTHh1t00X2f2jeq01THkHo; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 21:17:44 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=PIacp5aC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=GsOEXm/OWkKvwdLVJsfwcA==:117 a=GsOEXm/OWkKvwdLVJsfwcA==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=CH0kA5CcgfcA:10 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=Sc44MCi7xfKHKsIscWcA:9 a=XNUrExV-lVQA:10 a=VlZU0XKO32wA:10 a=_FVE-zBwftR9WsbkzFJk:22 a=Bn2pgwyD2vrAyMmN8A2t:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tromey.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=QOBQ+63R9bSrPmYrtX8Z7D0reyP9jmWUIVyIakZhgZE=; b=Z/IleYwtSyaNGX8gOMbhvV6lAn 5cqj/yFtxGLONM807F3+7pGmFJwD6JESp/EghO0GA6HWz64mUiIzy7DyBBjv7pLFvjtXgR7T5+bG/ c88idcGdlNZPoiTGxEGd4nqJM; Original-Received: from 174-16-143-211.hlrn.qwest.net ([174.16.143.211]:53648 helo=bapiya) by box522.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1buA35-00079U-1O; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 21:17:43 -0600 X-Attribution: Tom In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:42:00 -0400") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box522.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tromey.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 174.16.143.211 X-Exim-ID: 1buA35-00079U-1O X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: 174-16-143-211.hlrn.qwest.net (bapiya) [174.16.143.211]:53648 X-Source-Auth: tom+tromey.com X-Email-Count: 4 X-Source-Cap: ZWx5bnJvYmk7ZWx5bnJvYmk7Ym94NTIyLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 67.222.39.168 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208167 Archived-At: >>>>> "RMS" == Richard Stallman writes: RMS> The reason namespaces systems do not fit well into Lisp RMS> is that they have to operate in 'read', in the choice of which RMS> symbol object you get. That's pretty much what my module implementation does: it renames symbols while reading. https://github.com/tromey/emacs-module This means the source code uses short names, but the result respects the Emacs naming conventions. Tom