From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: official Emacs Docker image Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 08:45:46 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <8760krqtf9.fsf@flea> References: <878txa9zvx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k29gsgam.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k29cmq1u.fsf@elephly.net> <8737g0qw7z.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87vasvnvty.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmumrkzn.fsf@flea> <87tw8cr7v0.fsf@flea> <87wpd7rc70.fsf@xsteve.at> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1486129573 7783 195.159.176.226 (3 Feb 2017 13:46:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 13:46:13 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 03 14:46:09 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cZeBj-0001ko-I0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:46:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34852 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZeBp-0002ty-0X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 08:46:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53779) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZeBh-0002sl-Np for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 08:46:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZeBe-0001iQ-LL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 08:46:05 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=36274 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZeBe-0001hg-Ev for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 08:46:02 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cZeBR-000181-N4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 14:45:49 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:rCOpyoIkrvkV1OUXz52xtD2kZgw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211928 Archived-At: On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:18:59 -0200 Filipe Silva wrote: FS> Stefan, GNU/FSF is first a political/philosophical organisation before FS> being a technical/software organization. The fact that they've managed to FS> construct such an amazing piece of software, Emacs, is a miracle, but FS> secondary to that primary characteristics. ... FS> Mike Gerwitz, back to the topic, you've posted an issue on the github site, FS> which is run with non-free software, and I'm pretty sure that it runs FS> non-free javascript. The fact that you will be running "non-free" FS> javascript seems a bit unescapeable, doesn't it? This discrepancy between principles and reality is exactly what I was referring to. It's not Mike Gerwitz specifically, but the reality is that there is a vast majority of free software advocates that uses websites without concern for the Javascript licenses. So the *FSF principles* that are in reality not observed are blocking a vitally important way for the *GNU Emacs project* (note they are not the same organization, so Filipe's merging them somewhat inaccurately) to reach users, because of a setup step invisible to those users. Look, principled opposition taken to an extreme is self-defeating. Imagine if vegans refused to *visit* vegetarians' houses and breathe their air because they are not pure enough. Meanwhile the slaughterhouses are running next door. Ted