From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:15:07 +0200 Message-ID: <875zxxt4ok.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> <87woqka4wg.fsf_-_@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1540023325 18458 195.159.176.226 (20 Oct 2018 08:15:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2018 08:15:25 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: mu4e 1.1.0; emacs 27.0.50 Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, Yuri Khan , noeltaylo@gmail.com, right.ho@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 20 10:15:20 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gDmPo-0004i5-BV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:15:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54183 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDmRu-0007gB-TD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 04:17:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56470) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDmRL-0007fv-7T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 04:16:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDmRG-0003Y0-9H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 04:16:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([195.110.48.8]:44034) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gDmRG-0003Wm-1l; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 04:16:50 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31031E6CB2; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:16:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YXESrk-1NDnA; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:16:46 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (static-dwadziewiec-jedenpiec7.echostar.pl [109.232.29.157]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DF58E683A; Sat, 20 Oct 2018 10:16:46 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.110.48.8 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230518 Archived-At: On 2018-10-16, at 08:44, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Simple: C-z for Undo, C-S-z and possibly C-y for Redo, in cua-mode, > > C-z is an important Emacs command. To change it would hurt anyone. FWIW, I find the default binding of C-z totally useless and a waste of a good keybinding. I rebound it as a prefix key for my keymap containing lots of useful commands. So not anyone (though this change would hurt _me_, but for other reasons). Just one data point. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://mbork.pl