From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 06:53:36 +0800 Message-ID: <875zdv9jf3.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdwjais.fsf@yahoo.com> <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="115227"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: ndame , Ahmed Khanzada , Joseph Garvin , Richard Stallman , Stefan Kangas , Emacs developers , Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 00:54:34 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQIpd-000Tpq-Rf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 00:54:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48508 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQIpc-0006cl-UY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:54:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43048 helo=eggs1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQIos-00066D-LO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:53:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs1p.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQIoq-0007Qc-Jd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:53:44 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic301-32.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.184.201]:37039) by eggs1p.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQIoq-0007OB-2i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:53:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1587336823; bh=khOYKofgBH33Rvt1mT+oaURBNRwrPeeOQA3MTNlHt3M=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=O7WUIYqAMdQGHhm2/u3R9NDFJucg/o1E4K4USszJNtBd59wfO7cBVMpXtWWX7WJAV1hK5rpzPCNq/HviYEImTFmchiwoX0muXFjyehnQFMirdmgXA166klVr6BmTlwDXRJes1IPi6hMe/3cYKAf11NIc4h/7QAc79AV7ItSgYKp1jJTGf8jRz50kp2GUIj4uZd4+M8pAG8fHhRpRfe972oOP+7Q+N5tdeQteeE4/uNuspPB8f3JWeMYOzx/SQmTLM1d0GYZVFgvUMF46I6EitxzxztbTvtv8/m7nUFRgKA30Zn+RehyEbWTX1KE3YJXNhGSxdN5XRa80xCrGDONIlQ== X-YMail-OSG: G_U6oV4VM1k_pmJXXk19hFSZ417WtrUZo4AOgNSEz2CLS9g9yCRkkjAAkWT4h5u hImgpEd.393l5qgKfvtWe_3k10jeP.jQ0nYftaK1l1M2w4JwEnbUqUUq74fmt.6Ftwh0dzSZ80ie jiSa8aL2dcHBwODTlDn_1pfik4Kv8VTfAPWz2BTxeUn29N7Zuk3OilnzukFlDeG8_bPMCTmZvmWq 5nq9YMtkKmMRMouRQex9tfJilNbzpL2TsxgwZg.51w7YuHc8RvvY7.zcl5QriV5L4NjwMDtcMdKr PChKefvKVJRqEix.TYH_dSuGFxpkDFbRe8g.rttg5Ja6xd0Qfibz74Kz8ypC01fDlNiGnc6QDO2F NH5lB1y6wczcSiOPvWzjaCZadmoK4FynUAHsqaHLHMZzOghP5IDazjdgUZnJl3.UzX3mdk5pPosV kN6EMTcg5.ecLMIiE6PX1vKWzoqAV8cJ6ZUF52kVqS584b7GDGJXhqdd4L4Crp2k5nuo_bjKZINW Q_J8UDnDfgTA7X1eRYylliqCfmrfdR0ZSbVRPq_rgmK6HwJ2fqbhTQLKLSYSqB0xtBkIzC1kTxc3 mHnvyelQB7DKv.uYSlOgz8xqxGOgY1QFiC9bHhl3PE8jYDaAcjMvIC2iz1chaXDVjsY9x5BE2o5w yExnIkEI2Qo9q9GDCaNDmT22VGh8l5hO1psp0yZKgHASyVsUIDCLwHY6DC6RJZBflweluHEmcNuA Rt2k7y_CqWP0np7rHFdt2lNWGhVZa1qbt5z2xdFqkHhEaIfgFFryNy_S5DtUX_WYB4Bbac0oNfT. WW7eizgqce9K6cCr3lVsFITlBus7Wrpw.ev0bB8cBC Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:53:43 +0000 Original-Received: by smtp429.mail.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 433fa9f00ab2774691dd35685f59e56d; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:53:39 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Sun, 19 Apr 2020 15:59:17 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.15651 hermes Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.201; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic301-32.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs1p.gnu.org: Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Received-From: 66.163.184.201 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247333 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > I'm pretty sure neither "fancy graphics" inside file buffers, nor > variable-pitch indentation are the reason for VS Code's popularity. You have a point. We need to figure out why VSC is so popular, and then fill in the areas that Emacs is missing. A mostly out-of-the-box setup probably counts in that area.