From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Sergey Organov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:13:41 +0300 Message-ID: <875zdshr9m.fsf@osv.gnss.ru> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a736wyed.fsf@yahoo.com> <2F7AD0CB-FF83-4244-BD77-7E0460A77762@icloud.com> <87wo6a7abj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o8rlbnic.fsf@yahoo.com> <45098d13-2770-4a19-6f82-b22276eb51c8@yandex.ru> <877dy91mb0.fsf@yahoo.com> <0ce06d95-0593-bc55-983f-6b6601503a1a@yandex.ru> <87k128qgh6.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="108599"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Emacs developers , =?utf-8?Q?S=C3=A9bastien?= Gendre , =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= , Dmitry Gutov To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 10:14:31 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRAWc-000S4k-9r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:14:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45902 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRAWb-00065c-7u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:14:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49118) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRAVt-0005eq-VH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:13:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRAVt-0000hE-Ca for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:13:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lj1-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::235]:35739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRAVt-0000h7-01 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:13:45 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-lj1-x235.google.com with SMTP id g4so1314713ljl.2 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:13:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=cXuMpKldUq2VN3MVe3yFu8ReC4pG9hp/FvO29YzARyo=; b=IuNfsk33cUs/oO7lcmRWJjAE5vPGd6hW8RYAsypjKiE3aj8lwK+FWn+DysahuHDQFQ HYYkHR8IWLFJAdrIe/9+aVuxxbi61vWrnbqX8jmx6PV3gqekGen5W40vaALYca/o/6rJ gNm0GIyjYyIUmed+FUommvZca4aHnuwl5Vgtg6jyS3CxF4BOzeb4bTFe4wbXFgvOZc3o DbFo5w2JJQJGG7hI57dyCeX1W51+HOk8jeFyy7W/y3NY0v6I7OhavQdEMOtEdNuA6o5B VM0wUcDNHxJd/nL+KRcJR4uQzX4w9nYXB+OU2i5CPtW0gdqSt30Oj8lfEJvcx2l8bRfA CkRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=cXuMpKldUq2VN3MVe3yFu8ReC4pG9hp/FvO29YzARyo=; b=hvHNDfU1ePK1Sq7lTjAShNcqqVsb/B3KdhIcAsehS2jdKEqt9jPmTMVX+n/rcaCmpa BVqQKvJwdlQxrthT212J5vdNAhHWZtglA+0kmWL5dD18A8dGunMLth0by3ESzqyISpUN WGxfDEJDv1hmDvvJLLkcpdGLdUaGHS4oKD2NxOZ3ujkZE2Q7ySGLo1ea4EfxIaZh3aeP YEI0e5r2iEudmlnBXk4PrBM8M8llwvfAmacZhkBTdUyMPikFpv5aKSczMu1fRTrxP52S PMBb+uc6qRZTIL48PXdbUrPOVyKJVPmeNkbQRVGW6tgDrtEkApE4XhPPdb3HGcmhHERS F+Jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuYrgSjUFuA4S7nHqNGyguSkH8m3daU6tqdsAWlfq+bjFEGWEF7g 2vi22HnSt98f4BZeEGNnrmoWP1QO X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKw5eGSRB9DVkEMNRaYoVSO8I1UlWeK+GAFUNZMFKblkCfSFbb28C/pUu7Mxkq1j0yY7VXCRw== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:89cb:: with SMTP id c11mr16071416ljk.121.1587543223238; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from osv.localdomain ([89.175.180.246]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i20sm4306981lfe.15.2020.04.22.01.13.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 22 Apr 2020 01:13:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87k128qgh6.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:41:57 +0800") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::235; envelope-from=sorganov@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x235.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: [-] PROGRAM ABORT : Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4864:20::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247502 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: [...] > And we're attracting a fair amount of new users. What I would hate to > see is Emacs prioritizing "attracting users" over "being useful". I'm > sure many in the community agree with me. Indeed! Emacs is the only editor that I grew to like. Other editors and IDEs I've used I grew to hate. -- Sergey