From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: James Thomas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Improve Malayalam language transliteration Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 03:41:49 +0530 Message-ID: <875zdlhp7e.fsf@gmx.net> References: <87d07ul5m1.fsf@gmx.net> <83r1wa5k1w.fsf@gnu.org> <87tv161aml.fsf@gmx.net> <83eesa5fxi.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="64186"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 00:17:29 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jSpab-000GbP-H4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 00:17:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47788 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSpaa-0006Ap-Bd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:17:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39228) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSpVF-0004RR-5h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:11:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSpVE-0002dU-7s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:11:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:48251) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSpVD-0002ZX-Ii; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:11:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1587939113; bh=qQXd/VBR4yrwfnk0wdQ5wN03gW/M47tBcV2d/USqDHc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=R9MztzG4AFkWt3mIRjoeVFMWa/JPo203Dp5gSDvTyIEc4nKrmKxH3nE1qGWH9nmMS X7EGeoJCDWycy5zKgyPVBbx8GBzfHZhkcMhTjb56X2YhurIo3YIGGA2uZIEzxH8So1 qeMWUJbgFzpgYBOkp92x5e9wxdbrZMPjqHhhnDMM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from localhost ([59.94.232.130]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MXGvG-1jghYE38ta-00YkZE; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 00:11:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83eesa5fxi.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:3ZYUkG/lhL+UQ0MOM8+sqrEa/FVBy2HvdVxgoelPprjET2t41vF 4/MwZHT04fZ/EdLvF9K5iXLL9gOf/RbB/NY+TnAoR9FoFnSb+QsLZjPpYDfTyCT0t/4VcS+ 6JdZ0xwY+ebqQ02BApZHiuGvvUsLOdu2ZaAz0UzOin7d42cGXYzfw+F+CS8zME5J2QHuf2v P9etDgfQRO2RZJFvj01xA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Q5T9X7llUYI=:y/1TkoJGoLzQ7vZ259B2bb QUfSrM73FoW7skTEIOusQJFgrnTpcl9kBPPZOAyglGkvzc3FxcwUb1RBDoG2XDNyzE68uNg0V wXHjalUMHLVigkUlVGBw2NGkNnwyCQdwwW5ackuWi+kRfkkGfnd5JYUqBpSGxU16+wWjkIPNT TRX+qBK+xZl8L0bmZBioUi4T4xhZqbRIW0WxZ6sCbTJ6C1z+hV+pAVdfE32BnZ64EVF6du/H5 XRtrwJDLbLZ3uNAOGhdhrARIETrXv7zSuCMz+uuUIHP6Qz6EGZ5/LDmySSlRY+B77ygeniVuX mkmfcoUWHj5Zy90dR2ORwZbmtVVm1rAXaoV0VzOVjwFyWenNCUzQ4uM/rGR/74aQHj+kwa2h8 JA134U/20D0TlmX0QCA2QOVkUoOWcTLo8R6ynO6+As6fUg3OOjqN3tsmeCVbCkgDRATkucyXa 7BDFqJIAtU8HSfsq38zPRRfwlJFASO2sCBzKHqRrHaDkewrS97zKERgcUrplFk6Dc5bwVrjQl yJSA5R6D4DkPqAx6lLyP0MAjMRbhxF+cqcn1e5vDviBIyuPazwJFucMlUqa6cDDE3asLH7Xnx kUj7zg8R7InX+HuYrC0WI9BDouBL3dUG+f+ghzgRE1DeuI8O0wRTe/k7IQO/91CXy4BblcBmg /5HKIgEP5QP5AN/0eIhdFpmHCi6sPU5Udrp5SoP9+slx9atE408md71bQiQ88t2SWuTmr0x4X Z/GIVidw0pRUf8fEMhONzC7HBFj5qqMTB9zFTO49B95KEqlQJ76P1sxTPGowiLf7/mBbqCzd Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.22; envelope-from=jimjoe@gmx.net; helo=mout.gmx.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/26 17:15:52 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247869 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: James Thomas >> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:51:06 +0530 >>=20 >> >> -(if nil >> >> - (quail-define-package "malayalam-itrans" "Malayalam" "MlmIT" t "= Malayalam ITRANS")) >> >> -(quail-define-indian-trans-package >> >> - indian-mlm-itrans-v5-hash "malayalam-itrans" "Malayalam" "MlmIT" >> >> - "Malayalam transliteration by ITRANS method.") >> > >> > I'm not sure I understand: does this delete the ITRANS method? Would >> > it make sense to leave it, and just add the new one? And please also >> > note that lisp/language/indian.el references the malayalam-itrans >> > method; should that be changed as well? >>=20 >> Yes this does delete and replace it. I guess we could keep the ITRANS >> method also, but it's practically unusable for Malayalam (given its >> uniqueness and quirks) and not even defined for all its characters - for= e.g., >> the common characters =E0=B4=B3 (La), =E0=B4=B4 (zha), =E0=B4=B1 (rra) a= re missing. As I >> understand it, it was developed for Devanagari and was easily adapted >> to similar Indian languages. The Mozhi scheme is a way of expanding it >> to support Malayalam. > > That's okay, but we don't like deleting existing capabilities without > some period during which it's deprecated. So maybe say in NEWS that > ITRANS is deprecated, and add a comment in quail/indian.el that it > should be removed in some future release. Okay, it's settled then. I'll send in a patch with such changes. > >> Sorry I missed the reference in lisp/language/indian.el. It seems to be >> just defining the default input method for the language. Can be changed >> easily if decided. > > If you think this new method is much better, it's okay to make it the > default, I think. Just mention that in NEWS. Will do that too in the new patch. > > Thanks. > > P.S. And please keep the list address on the CC, so that this > discussion is recorded. -- Jim