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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255103 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > I'm not a maintainer, but FWIW my opinion is that what will most likely > > happen is that they will never agree to do this. Menus are not "modern". > > What in the world? This strikes me as incomprehensible. > > Who thinks "Menus are not modern"? Why? > What do they use instead of menus? > > (Perhaps they use a different kind of menu > but do not think of it as a manu.) I think that this is the case, most programmes seem to use the "Hamburger Menu"[0] instead of a transitional top-menu. I'm not sure what the reason for this change was, but I have a hunch one of the motivating reasons was the attempt to merge applications and the window frames (as GNOME does in the free software world, but Chrome, MS Office, etc. do in the non-free world). When no space is left between the application and it's frame, the menu must be moved somewhere else. Another reason is probably the influence of mobile applications, that use these kinds of menus due to lack of space. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_button -- Philip K.