From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 13:16:15 +0200 Message-ID: <875z8j454w.fsf@gnus.org> References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <32292E31-1603-4EF9-B772-EBD378C32F76@gmail.com> <83o8mcfjxb.fsf@gnu.org> <83een8fi2u.fsf@gnu.org> <87pn6stdc0.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6379"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Gregory Heytings , Eli Zaretskii , casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 12 13:17:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kH3Wg-0001Yn-Bk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 13:17:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37848 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kH3Wf-0008Fn-Cb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 07:17:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48848) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kH3W3-0007oq-GB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 07:16:23 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:50580) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kH3W1-0005pB-Uu; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 07:16:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=DLpzZNCF9SKBOjsSQD5tjGWaAKzilehZunqQdGLU0Z0=; b=OBEGQFH0GxxEM4MjuQf/iKKK9s v0JdR3ak1jL9w5U1m0uR7PxNA+PDRIFED8b54l4s1Y0fGOgfrpxR/X4RvPBM/w6dAJbE15HUIAe// SdVRk5PqfaN+N4eZHr8RB9j7QjlpI3hqE7/h7Nv21/djCPNzKgnKhNOLoSe2U2Q5jSWk=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kH3Vx-0005lG-09; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 13:16:19 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEXLtaDx6+OIXEnM qU7////Dgg/GAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+QJDAsIK273slQAAAHCSURBVDjLZZQN0q4g CIVRN4C1AS9ugGT/e/sOouU712aq8Qnk5xARU00ifTz1ZxFx4yxYjYnSAZhankBuo9NCqY25b1jP 6UrJt3M3G13rJW3aJyowGCoDFjKBTPCP/DHScmWHK+u5w0KG/R6CELlImwbyc3hJbBHUkN4OIO0W gSubQZ/A1xAk6s8DRHYe+Lx/AOHazInsQcE+0N2Rr24PPP4PSEyzpNcXIZp1TB9ZHgBnzAC2jvcy hkEKiwOcJTHrq6ASILHbwBWqbWVbmBEntNUBOqG3vcAUZSVeoJYD8JsHPN8OFqFVK7ymeiMX/6S/ hGqxB28WxwOof+hgplNH9/wHAsT1BPB1ywQdgoHJAS4L0KdYNATnt2yrjtguAZBoZbQLH8e+A16H F7p8MzSnrjuegLvefSluJU8+BsSqvLfI78kLSTiKNG1QzDitfmiqmsoGRd9GoQKGsFy7RlZWq2im M2i1qmh5legFkLx7mPaIQE44K7cSmRMdYvBS9VWSYh/wKK5t8QmIZleuFsMgIaCYcxdkbk2WtFL1 PwQuqAVVX5KT2CdHmJes3qQ5JPapPfojlJu/7oLsGcR4YIF9qv4DhcN+HZa5VD0AAAAldEVYdGRh dGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjAtMDktMTJUMTE6MDg6NDMrMDA6MDA0NXlvAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlm eQAyMDIwLTA5LTEyVDExOjA4OjQzKzAwOjAwRWjB0wAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Joni Mitchell_: "Marcie" In-Reply-To: <87pn6stdc0.fsf@gkayaalp.com> (=?utf-8?B?IkfDtmt0dcSf?= Kayaalp"'s message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:47:43 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255301 Archived-At: G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp writes: > Someone who can=E2=80=99t spare more than three minutes to research a too= l that > they may end up using for a life time for the majority of their workday > is IMHO not a kind of user we should strive to support. I think that's dangerously close to saying "Emacs was hard to make, so it should be hard to use". --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no