From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:28:29 +0100 Message-ID: <875z52nlqa.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <56d1484e-6f41-575f-0fbb-fd2bd99ab152@yandex.ru> <87eejqnlxk.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25269"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 16 10:29:30 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpT7h-0006Rv-9n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:29:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51424 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpT7g-0003H6-Bs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 04:29:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32898) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpT6q-0001za-Sm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 04:28:36 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:55508) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpT6o-0004c7-W4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 04:28:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=szxg6DV0H4t75VeMQASM5Gz5SWIIfu7E8zdFJDx+BWw=; b=PZs8Ei+jadHEc2zUAEW7imwFTw 3I0lYRrY2c0bvGQn2YguPhC6vX35PTgg3+wo9MSIInW2g56UQnxBMi3Vf93IS66SfX72e6Az1wxEq gUmh4RaDtGilQV/G6zLE450QPvRBPkDE6SLTgr9FV38K7P/fz9O8Rob0xOHCKtFYr2wA=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpT6k-0005nE-In for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:28:32 +0100 X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _The Early Years (4)_: "track" In-Reply-To: <87eejqnlxk.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:24:07 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260974 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > We now have some data, and I don't think we should just dismiss that > data because of statistical quibbles. Speaking of statistics -- I found Dick Mao's analysis of the survey pretty interesting: https://github.com/dickmao/emacs-survey/blob/main/2020/commentary.ipynb -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no