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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:278361 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > At a first glance, I sort of like having the colorful orange/yellow > symbol there. It makes it clear that there is something there that can > be expanded, and it stands out as clickable, etc. OTOH, it is a bit > noisy, so I'm not against finding a tidier solution. The main problem I have with that is that it's not present or renders badly on quite a few systems, as I explained below. > The symbols used in customize are okay, but are far too inconspicuous > even there, I think. Or it might just seem that way because the > customize interface in general is clunkier with regards to navigation -- > for example you don't have "n"/"p" going to the next and previous entry. > > Perhaps a discrete "+" or "-" sign could do the job, as here, How about an arrow bitmap in the left fringe? Could that work?