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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282507 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I see. Thanks. That suggests other pertinent questions: > > What is causing this to become more difficult? Probably the proliferation of very different high-level abstractions among toolkits, which then proceed to discourage applications from using the lower-level (but more general) alternatives. > Are there going to be fewer different toolkits than in the past? Yes, certainly so. > Will any of them be more universal than in the past? I don't really think this will be the case.