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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290930 Archived-At: [=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=81=E0=AE=A4=E0=AE=A9=E0=AF=8D =E0=AE=9C=E0=AF=82=E0=AE=A9= =E0=AF=8D 08, 2022] Tim Cross wrote: > [...] > - Increasing org's use of built-in Emacs capabilities rather than using > org specific implementations. For example, adopting transient instead > of an org implemented module which replicates similar functionality.=20 Where can I read more about this? I see it being mentioned a few times in the org-mode mailing list, and in the matrix room. Is the plan to completely remove the org-mks interface and replace it with transient without having an option to use the former? I find org-mks perfectly fine to use and would be sad if it was replaced with transient. Transient needs time to get used to, and the default settings is quite un-Emacsy; I'm not too excited about configuring yet another package that has a hard-to-understand manual TBH.