From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:56:13 +0200 Message-ID: <875yik8pb6.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h725olz1.fsf@gnus.org> <8735dplo5d.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgfxlnw3.fsf@gnus.org> <87h725k8ze.fsf@yahoo.com> <87edx9ln65.fsf@gnus.org> <874jy5k80y.fsf@yahoo.com> <875yillm64.fsf@gnus.org> <87edx9ist0.fsf@yahoo.com> <874jy5gjoi.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnb0bnmn.fsf@gnus.org> <87tu64ec1w.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38761"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Gregory Heytings , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 22 13:57:25 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQ63Z-0009xI-1G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:57:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39144 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQ63Y-0003he-1Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2022 07:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48666) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQ62Y-0002xc-Mw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2022 07:56:22 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:43114) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQ62X-0002zl-AP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2022 07:56:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ZRsSTYVpYyPMACBVaCtRzVdY3P4LS4/Ys9vhKr64vNw=; b=VTYWVwNKJCl/heHRsN8VZHmeMO jmOc2vy26EtNHG04R/pg+H0RmDhwRbTJzBTbqa/Lh49xbJR+Xp/ge4VntcRoDFOXyVlveFTSX1Rps kQakGRN6pPHt/jDXAikTfwUD7DMkOHESaKOkQ7GJBxtQyt6SyAqM6M5ASZTX+8SYGid0=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQ62Q-00057h-3s; Mon, 22 Aug 2022 13:56:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87tu64ec1w.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Mon, 22 Aug 2022 19:46:03 +0800") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAALVBMVEXu7u3Y0NfGoK/P NkTdV2e3rsuZeYdLOkUTBw9kV14nEhlLJio2IiosGiP////Zf5E1AAAAAWJLR0QOb70wTwAAAAd0 SU1FB+YIFgs3CNtC1loAAAGOSURBVDjLrdK9TsJQFAfwYuJOE0kMkcHi4iq+AKUvwEA0xBV4Az4S WeV4oaNCBRcXLhe7Yk2ZhVSZ+xH6LrYF1J7WxMH/eH+959xzeznuKzz330nyPJ8Mr2Rzu5xtlxKC kD+RxKzkJ3cuSTvYE0VRkIRsTioUQju2OZB2yf/xPIlU9ZjfJAz7NbgpBSkiOJ0+xUPfaFXiIKUs G9/wY/pU8aESX6o0qsSXKtUqA9tbr96F4aLfrw5pS2nDbRjKzKR2GwAIgittDJN5DJTpmKrUA1zq EkyHAIlC2V3QWDj6WPt1SBRc1weg0R0r73tCZQwZdwlkOKXgIDhULZnN3y2QEaQpdHVdN2J6LLtz XVcdhnuoBmGMMAtDmvjDgRPZkWZTzYOXXhTWj8DgTXUjwEYe2E0jCg2v1HNzjU/F4BpkCosOBkJW /t3OiMmF3lWGBceFWdPGpZh35xQmA9wcZOIPYtcioAalVKWDwSLBr62bGOgGXhuoOQSPCmCi/ALd ezygBsw3gqGnseBhkTrHfQIpVOojvKi+iAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMi0wOC0yMlQx MTo1NTowOCswMDowMJz5FsEAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjItMDgtMjJUMTE6NTU6MDgr MDA6MDDtpK59AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Anne Clark's _Hopeless Cases_: "Homecoming" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293793 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: >> But like you said, it's more important that Emacs doesn't crash. > > Exactly, so let's default to some other build, that gives users all of > those features and doesn't crash. Again, I'm all for that, but the other builds have to be adjusted. And the non-default builds still shouldn't crash, so disabling a crashing feature in the Gtk build should also be done. These two things are not in conflict with each other.