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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 9db1b88a4e356efaab3005be7617bf55; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 04:20:31 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2022 23:52:50 -0400") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.186.206; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic310-25.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293947 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > There are various ways users can make such modifications. > We can add those to the list of possible options to compare. > This is for GTK 3, right? > > One pwrtinent question is, how bad would the problems of GTK 3 be if > we imagine a few of them have been fided this way? Would they be bad > enough that we would want to reject GTK 3 over them anyway? Yeah. It would be a lot of work to do that. > There is a modified version of GNOME 2, which I suppose includes GTK > 2. It is called Mat=C3=A9. (The accent on "=C3=AB is incorrect Spanish,= but it > is correct English.) It is no longer maintained, but it is probably a > better starting point than GNOME 2 itself. I use it, because it is > included in Trisquel. I presume it contains a version of GTK 2. Some parts of Mate have apparently been ported to GTK 3. I'm not sure. > If newer versions of GTK are lousy, and the other options also have > bad problems, maybe this is the best. I guess we could take up maintenance of GTK 2. But it would still be a lot of work.