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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296755 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> and those users probably do want to use native compilation >>> (e.g. they would likely set `package-native-compile` to non-nil), just >>> not the deferred kind, so the var name is a bit odd for them. > > `inhibit-native-compilation` sounds like it really prevents all forms of > native compilation, whether "deferred" or not. We can expand the variable name, but I couldn't think of a good name. And "deferred" doesn't convey anything. > E.g. going by its name, I'd argue that it's a bug if package.el does > native-compile the files when both `package-native-compile` when > `inhibit-native-compilation` are non-nil. But not by going by the documentation of the variable. =F0=9F=98=80