From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master f7b84345f8 1/2: ; * doc/emacs/vc1-xtra.texi (Editing VC Commands): Fix wording. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297018 Archived-At: Hello, On Wed 05 Oct 2022 at 08:58AM +03, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > "Would not make much sense" is in the eyes of the beholder. Not all > of us are quick-thinking enough to realize the commands we sometimes > choose to do a job are not the optimal ones. But there's no reason to > pretend that there's only one way of doing every job. > > Are there other reasons to insist on the "VCS-specific functionality" > aspect of this command, beyond the above considerations of using VC > command in an optimal fashion? What I'd like to get across in the manual, somehow and somewhere, is that VC now has a broadly applicable answer to the question of accessing VCS-specific functionality. We've decided that in many cases, the best thing is to require that the user edit command lines themselves, rather than adding new VC commands or new VCS-specific commands. So if someone is wondering "how do I get at X with VC, do I just have to resort to a shell?" it would be good for them to know that 'C-x v !' might be a convenient option for them. I accept that here is perhaps not the best place to try to get this across. Where do you think something like that might fit? Would be grateful for help. -- Sean Whitton