From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Typo in defconst-1 and defvar-1 docstrings? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297121 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> I was reading through the implementation of defconst-1, but was confused >> by the docstring that states: >> >> More specifically behaves like (defvar SYM 'INITVALUE DOCSTRING). > ^^^^^^ > > It says "defconst" for me (as it should). Am I missing something? I copied the wrong example, my bad. >> Isn't the point of defconst-1 as a functional variant of defconst, > > It is. > >> that SYM will evaluate to a symbol? > > In the function the SYM received is already a symbol. > >> And why should INITVALUE be quoted? > > Because similarly in the function INITVALUE is really a *value* > (i.e. already evaluated), so in order for `defconst` to behave the same, > you need to quote it to prevent treating that value as an expression > that needs to be evaluated. > > E.g. if INITVALUE is the list `(1 2 3)` and SYM is the symbol `hello`, > the equivalent is > > (defconst hello '(1 2 3)) > > and not > > (defconst 'hello (1 2 3)) > > which would signal an error because of the quoted symbol and because of > the call to the "function" 1. OK, I misunderstoond what the comment was trying to say. Sorry for the noise. > Stefan