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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c3da49062ead6c2c4e18e634072b7dee; Sun, 06 Aug 2023 23:55:59 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <838raooy85.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 06 Aug 2023 20:51:54 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21695 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.187.33; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic308-10.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308392 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 10:44:09 -0700 >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , angelo.g0@libero.it, emacs-devel@gnu.org, >> Bruno Haible >> From: Paul Eggert >> >> I understand the reluctance from the Android point of view. However, >> printf-posix imports 69 new source files to Emacs, and these files have >> not been tested extensively with Emacs on non-Android platforms. From >> the viewpoint of non-Android Emacs platforms, it's significantly less >> disruptive if merging the Android branch does not add 69 new source >> files that will require testing on these platforms. >> >> And even from the Android viewpoint, no matter what we do to fix the >> problem some testing needs to be done anyway, as the fix is likely to >> affect Emacs in test-relevant ways. > > I think Paul makes a good point here about those modules not being > tested in Emacs on other platforms. Avoiding addition of 69 files to > Emacs is also a non-trivial gain. > > Since Emacs 30.1 will not be released any time soon, I think we will > have ample time to test it without the *printf modules, and find out > and fix any issues this could create. > > So I suggest to give this solution a chance. > >> The idea is to get feature/android merged quickly. We can revisit the >> use of Gnulib's printf-posix module later, as needed. With luck >> printf-posix won't be needed, as Emacs historically has avoided use of >> unusual printf features (for obvious portability reasons). > > Right. I plan to quickly test this on some old versions of Android and ack.