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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:319673 Archived-At: Spencer Baugh writes: Hi Spencer, > It would be doubly interesting if we manage to implement it so > that Tramp would be able to connect two processes directly without > round-tripping the i/o from the remote host to local and back to > remote. That's a major source of latency in project-find-regexp > on remote. > > Unfortunately this is almost impossibly hard. But, I actually have > worked extensively on doing this specific impossible thing (remote > process APIs that are powerful enough to do this) so I will eventually > try to implement them for Emacs and TRAMP. It would allow full > make-process support in TRAMP as well as a make-pipe-process which > represents a pipe existing on a remote system. Much appreciated! A while ago, on a boring rainy day, I thought about adding "Implement remote make-pipe-process" to my TODO. I didn't because I have no idea yet how to do. Best regards, Michael.