From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: position on changing defaults? Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:41:56 -0400 Message-ID: <874pbavdff.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <200803050637.m256bXL3008361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87hcfkdhqk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87pru8enjx.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <8763vy95a6.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87wsoc39i8.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <877igb7dsi.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87hcff5upc.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87fxuxsg3m.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87r6egp8oo.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205423153 17998 80.91.229.12 (13 Mar 2008 15:45:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 13 16:46:20 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JZpcL-0001TA-8k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:45:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZpbm-0000aM-6Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:44:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZpbc-0000Rj-6f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:44:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JZpba-0000Q0-R1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:44:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JZpba-0000Pi-FI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:44:30 -0400 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JZpbT-00075q-9R; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:44:23 -0400 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 118FA4E3B9; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:41:56 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed\, 12 Mar 2008 10\:03\:44 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92416 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> But S-right C-5 S-right, also just marks 5 chars, as the C-5 >> prefix deactivates the mark set by the first S-right. > > This, and the issue with scrolling, makes me think that the `only'-TTM > is maybe not the best approach. > >> BTW, we discussed making transient-mark-mode the default - so >> can we assume that transient-mark-mode is _on_ for the shifted >> movement keys to work? Or do we have to find a solution which >> works also for transient-mark-mode off (e.g. setting it on >> temporarily as Miles approach did). > > AFAICT, the approach I proposed where most/all the movement commands get > changed to call a special function in the interactive spec wouldn't > suffer from any such problems. I think it's the best approach so far. I'll code up a prototype and see how well it works.