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From: David Hansen <david.hansen@gmx.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Very interesting analysis of "the state of Emacs"
Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 00:49:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874p9jhsa7.fsf@localhorst.mine.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1JrKM5-0006U3-6R@fencepost.gnu.org

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:00:49 -0400 Richard M. Stallman wrote:

>     If we are looking at concurrency, there is another paradigm based on
>     maintaining multiple internal function call stacks which a scheduler
>     can schedule in some fair fashion. I am talking of stackless Python
>     implementation. You really do not have multiple threads but get
>     simulated concurrency through stack switching.
>
> The idea is to get effective parallel execution for Lisp programs and
> redisplay.  This doesn't mean using multiple threads at the C level.
> It means using whatever method is convenient.

I don't think we would even need a scheduler, co-routines and something
like a `yield' function seem to be perfectly fine.  This would also
minimize the risk it breaks existing code (though existing code would
still block emacs, but that's a transition that can be made over time
when needed).

I would strongly oppose OS level threads.  It's just to easy to fuck
things up and I think elisp should keep things simple.

There are some small languages that implement this (e.g. Lua or Scheme
(not in the standard but it's a natural use for continuations)).  The
main problem I would see is emacs dynamic scope, e.g. what's the value
of a variable in one thread if another one let binds it.

David





  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-30 22:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-29  3:19 Very interesting analysis of "the state of Emacs" Thomas Lord
2008-04-29  7:26 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2008-04-29 23:17   ` Richard M Stallman
2008-04-30  0:14     ` Thomas Lord
2008-04-30  2:21     ` Stephen Eilert
2008-04-30  3:20       ` dhruva
2008-04-30 22:00         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-04-30 22:49           ` David Hansen [this message]
2008-04-30 23:46             ` Thomas Lord
2008-05-01  7:30               ` tomas
2008-05-01  4:23             ` Jonathan Rockway
2008-05-01  6:31               ` David Hansen
2008-05-01  6:42               ` Miles Bader
2008-05-01 18:59                 ` Jonathan Rockway
2008-05-02 15:36                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-02 16:50                   ` CEDET and threads (was Re: Very interesting analysis of "the state of Emacs") Eric M. Ludlam
2008-05-03  8:09                   ` Very interesting analysis of "the state of Emacs" Richard M Stallman
2008-05-03 19:24                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-05-04  9:37                       ` Richard M Stallman
2008-05-04 23:23                         ` buffer transactions (was Re: Very interesting analysis of "the state of Emacs") Nic
2008-05-05 15:14                           ` Richard M Stallman
2008-04-30  5:12       ` Very interesting analysis of "the state of Emacs" Miles Bader
2008-04-30 14:06         ` David Kastrup
2008-04-30 15:08         ` Tom Tromey
2008-05-15  6:21           ` ERC disconnects when blocked too long (was: Very interesting analysis of "the state of Emacs") Michael Olson
2008-04-30 16:08         ` Very interesting analysis of "the state of Emacs" Thomas Lord
2008-04-30  6:24       ` Paul Michael Reilly
2008-04-30 14:12       ` Mathias Dahl
2008-04-30 22:01       ` Richard M Stallman
2008-04-30 22:56         ` Thomas Lord

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