From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Florian Beck Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: 23.0.60; emacs-report-bug fails silently Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 02:44:38 +0200 Message-ID: <874p8fi9op.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> References: <87fxs0hrrv.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <4840084C.2020405@gmail.com> <87d4n3ii41.fsf@sophokles.streitblatt.de> <48407716.5080704@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1212194710 19062 80.91.229.12 (31 May 2008 00:45:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 00:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, Florian Beck To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat May 31 02:45:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K2FED-0003NM-6w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 02:45:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60954 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K2FDR-0007wN-HL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:45:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K2FDF-0007sv-HW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:44:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K2FDE-0007s9-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:44:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55129 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K2FDD-0007s6-Nb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:44:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:54154) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2FDD-0004LO-NB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:44:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:52850) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1K2FBU-00039x-32 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:43:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2FD9-0004Kf-1z for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:44:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mo-p07-ob.rzone.de ([81.169.146.189]:29827) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K2FD8-0004KX-Ob for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:44:42 -0400 X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: z4gYkBuibEUuEEkKOBbVcdZa/VqsaA== Original-Received: from aeschylus (p549947EE.dip.t-dialin.net [84.153.71.238]) by post.webmailer.de (fruni mo54) (RZmta 16.38) with ESMTP id N0179bk4UIPmoU ; Sat, 31 May 2008 02:44:39 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from: ) In-Reply-To: <48407716.5080704@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri, 30 May 2008 23:52:22 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:98099 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:22505 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > Florian Beck wrote: >> "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: >> >>> Florian Beck wrote: >>>> If I send a bug with=20 >>>> >>>> emacs -Q >>>> M-x report-emacs-bug >>>> >>>> emacs trys to use sendmail-user-agent by default. >>>> >>>> This doesn't work, which is no surprise because I haven't even install= ed >>>> sendmail. >>>> >>>> What *is* a problem is that there is no indication that sending the >>>> message failed. Emacs even displays Sending=E2=80=A6done. >> Also, I'm not looking for a workaround. (After I set mail-user-agent to >> gnus-user-agent everything is fine.) I'm reporting that on systems >> without sendmail bug reports likely disappear without trace. > > What I meant is that we should not require users to use any special > mail agent to send bug reports. If they just have a system mail client > set up it should work by using that. > > Perhaps you did not have a system mail client set up? Not that I know of. I never needed to and I would not know how to set it up. As I said, now that I know about the problem, it is easy for me to fix. Look, if you think my setup is bizzare, please ignore my report. But I don't think it is. I installed Ubuntu and used gnus to talk to my pop server. I didn't configure sendmail or a system mail client or `mail-user-agent' because everything worked =E2=80=93 until after more then a year I realised= that emacs bug reports were not delived, despite the message =C2=BBSending=E2=80= =A6done=C2=AB. --=20 Florian Beck