From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: isearch multiple buffers Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:07:07 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <874p6jfvck.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87odfcggvl.fsf@jurta.org> <87prp9bae0.fsf@jurta.org> <874p6kuz1f.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216632826 22980 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2008 09:33:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: t.link@gmx.at, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 21 11:34:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KKrmn-0003D9-UY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55556 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKrlu-0005em-Rt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKrkQ-0004gU-PC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:32:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKrkK-0004cS-MS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:32:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48569 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKrkK-0004cB-Fc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:31:56 -0400 Original-Received: from relay01.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.200]:2739) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKrkB-0003m2-2p; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:31:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay01.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KKrk8-000GyW-3X; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:31:44 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:29:36 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 5bcd58edb95cdacf596e852bfe0375ec X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Trusted X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 4382 [July 21 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: {received from trusted relay: common white list} X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: white ip list X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Trusted X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: trusted X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.8-5.1 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101061 Archived-At: > Many Emacs packages already have different ways of specifying a set > of buffers. For instance, buff-menu.el and ibuffer.el use the key `m' > to mark a set of buffers, and other keys (like `x', `v') to operate > on a set of marked buffers. > > This is making the existing problem worse! We have so many different > ways of specifying a set of buffers, and each way corresponds to > different things you with the set. > > The idea of filesets was to try to unify this -- to have various ways > of specifying a set, and indepedently, various things you can do with > a set. The idea was to have something like the region: there are many > ways to set it, and many ways to use it. Filesets are more heavy-weight entities that have names and persist across Emacs sessions. OTOH, a set of marked buffers in the buffer list is more quick to use and is transient that vanishes with killing the buffer list. I think we should not require from users using only persistent filesets. We should provide both tightly integrated, with the buffer list having commands to turn a transient set of marked buffers into a fileset and vice versa. Moreover, I think that all project-like packages (like recently discussed packages that group a set of files into a project) should use filesets. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/