From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: inputting characters by hexadigit Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:32:29 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <874p6g1fpx.fsf@jurta.org> References: <868ww3vydn.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tzeokrku.fsf@jurta.org> <87tzeogih6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <488020A4.4060601@harpegolden.net> <873am6rb8k.fsf@jurta.org> <87r69oqojm.fsf@jurta.org> <006a01c8ec04$27f3c2d0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <86ej5keovj.fsf@lifelogs.com> <48872C97.6020505@gmail.com> <873am0fzfw.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216852966 1511 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2008 22:42:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Ted Zlatanov , "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 24 00:43:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLn3Q-00018h-L2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:43:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42301 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLn2X-0005l4-4C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:42:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLn2S-0005kc-Lw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:42:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLn2R-0005kH-1A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:42:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58213 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLn2Q-0005kE-Ts for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:42:26 -0400 Original-Received: from relay03.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.201]:56071) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLn2Q-0006ht-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:42:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by relay03.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KLn2M-0007cF-Tk; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:42:23 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:24:38 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 5389b9e13478507b5d7b23e4ed053241 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Trusted X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 4430 [July 24 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: {received from trusted relay: common white list} X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: white ip list X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Trusted X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: trusted X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101340 Archived-At: >>>> I don't understand why we don't just provide an interactive function and >>>> let the users pick the keybinding they like. IMHO this is completely > > We have that already. What I want is to deprecate/remove the C-q NNN > method of entry, and move it elsewhere. I think that C-x 8 is the best > place for it. >From my experience using C-q to input a number was a pain in the echo area. IMHO, using the minibuffer is more convenient that reading a string with a sequence of `read-event'. That's why I have doubts about moving C-q NNN without changes to C-x 8. Using `read-event' was necessary on C-q because it has to read a character, but no more necessary on C-x 8. So C-x 8 reading a number in the minibuffer seems more attractive. However, if an exact equivalent of C-q is necessary on another key then perhaps `C-x 8 C-q' is a better variant for that. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/