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From: Giuseppe Scrivano <gscrivano@gnu.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: multi-threaded Emacs
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:57:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874p1npvtj.fsf@master.homenet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1L79QM-0006J3-Lp@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:06:54 -0500")

Richard M Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> I don't think we want to make such pervasive and inconvenient changes
> in the C code.  What we want, I think, is to allow thread switches
> only inside the QUIT macro.

If we don't want to do immediately all changes at one time and proceed
slowly to a real parallelism then we can start with a concurrent threads
model.  I think that concurrent threads can't be considered the final
solution, what I would like to optimize using threads is I/O bound and a
concurrent model can do it only in part.  If an Elisp primitive is
waiting for some data from a file or a socket, Emacs will hang until it
is ready.  This problem can't be solved by concurrent threads that will
switch only inside the QUIT macro.

If we will implement a concurrent threads model and introduce the QUIT
macro after it can't be used by parallel threads as accesses to shared
data must be synchronized differently.

IMHO, concurrent threads itself are not very useful, they can be useful
if considered a first step in the direction of a real parallelism.

I know it is a lot of work and the question (as in everything) is: does
benefits we will have worth this effort?

Regards,
Giuseppe




  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-01 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-29 13:32 multi-threaded Emacs Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-29 20:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-29 21:01   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-29 22:21     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 11:35       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 21:46         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 22:25           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 23:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 23:30               ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01  3:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 22:50           ` Tom Tromey
2008-12-07  3:31             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-29 22:06   ` Tom Tromey
2008-11-30 16:43 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-11-30 17:34   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 21:51     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 22:10       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 22:20     ` Miles Bader
2008-11-30 23:09       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 23:09       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01  0:10         ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-01  3:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-01 14:06     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-01 18:57       ` Giuseppe Scrivano [this message]
2008-12-01 20:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-01 22:41           ` joakim
2008-12-02 16:02         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-02 22:22           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-02 22:41             ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-03  2:17               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-03 18:26                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-03 20:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05  2:59                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05  7:40                       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-05  8:20                         ` Miles Bader
2008-12-05  9:42                           ` Paul R
2008-12-05 10:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-05 10:35                               ` Paul R
2008-12-05 11:02                           ` Helmut Eller
2008-12-05 15:39                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05 16:22                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-05 16:57                             ` Tom Tromey
2008-12-06  4:41                               ` Miles Bader
2008-12-06  7:44                               ` Helmut Eller
2008-12-06 22:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06  8:30                         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 15:36                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 19:25                         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-06 22:41                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 23:41                             ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-07 20:51                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 23:51                                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-08  3:06                                   ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-08 15:50                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 16:02                             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-07 20:52                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 16:15                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-08 18:26                             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-08 19:49                               ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-09  2:15                                 ` dhruva
2008-12-09  2:49                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-09  2:53                                     ` dhruva
2008-12-09  9:36                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-12-09 17:26                                 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-09 19:10                                   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-09 19:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-11  1:59                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 14:41                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-11 18:30                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 18:42                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-11 19:01                                               ` Paul R
2008-12-11 20:53                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-12 19:03                                                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-13  3:08                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 19:07                                         ` Paul R
2008-12-11 20:54                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05  2:59                   ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 15:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-02 23:10             ` Florian Beck
2008-11-30 22:17   ` Miles Bader
2008-11-30 16:44 ` Richard M Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-03  7:59 Re[2]: " ak70
2008-12-04  8:45 ` Richard M Stallman
     [not found]   ` <87prk8mhg9.fsf@vanilla.net.mt>
     [not found]     ` <E1L8ZUB-0002x3-VT@fencepost.gnu.org>
2008-12-05 13:27       ` Li Lin
     [not found]         ` <87prk64ilv.fsf@vanilla.net.mt>
2008-12-05 18:37           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-06 21:58             ` Magnus Henoch
2008-12-04 13:21 ` Stefan Monnier

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