From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.gnus.general Subject: Re: Differences between mail-mode and message-mode Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:05:07 +0900 Message-ID: <874ot4w13w.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <878wimdbzp.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87tz1av8ik.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <83vdlqp0rt.fsf@gnu.org> <874ot8zyqb.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <877hy1gog9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8763dktv1l.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248318517 975 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2009 03:08:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Reiner Steib Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 23 05:08:29 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MTofV-0001gb-1Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 05:08:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49345 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MTofU-00058b-AI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:08:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MTofP-00058U-RC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:08:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MTofK-00058A-49 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:08:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49303 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MTofJ-000587-U8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:08:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:49972) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MTofH-00013F-Bv; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:08:15 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE77D1535AF; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:08:12 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D2EB81A3002; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:05:07 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <8763dktv1l.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" 5bbff3553494 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113030 gmane.emacs.gnus.general:68811 Archived-At: Reiner Steib writes: > On Wed, Jul 22 2009, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > Reiner Steib writes: > > > > > Obviously the key bindings cannot be resolved without a change for > > > either mail-mode or message-mode users. Maybe set the bindings > > > depending on some compatibility variable? > > > > How about the presence of Newsgroups? > > > > > . In mail-mode C-c C-f C-f moves to FCC; in message-mode C-c C-f C-f > > > > moves to Followup-To, and C-c C-f C-w moves to FCC. > > > > Followup-To is rarely useful in a mail message. > > A message-mode buffer can be news, mail or both. Indeed. That's why I mention "Newsgroups" above. I'm conditioning all my suggestions on "compatibility with the mail-only MUA that has been default until now". Ie, they apply only when it's *not* a news post. (As far as Emacs can tell so far: of course that can change if the user desires.) Of course this is a hack. I think it's a shame that Gnus chose to cater to 1-keystroke savings rather than keep a regular, mnemonic keymap for default, but any attempt to change the Gnus keymap now will of course meet a response greatly resembling in all ways the response of mail-mode advocates to suggestions of change.