From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs for new users Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:26 -0500 Message-ID: <874oolarvt.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <87y6lxdvnl.fsf@mandingo.thematica.it> <87zl6dgjt1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259010466 13695 80.91.229.12 (23 Nov 2009 21:07:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:07:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Per =?utf-8?Q?Starb=C3=A4ck?= , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Giuseppe Scrivano Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 23 22:07:38 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NCg8H-0003OV-UW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:07:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52745 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCg8H-000240-IF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:07:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCfqx-0001H5-As for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:43 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCfqs-0001C0-T8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52894 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCfqs-0001Bn-I2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:38 -0500 Original-Received: from pantheon-po33.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.94]:56345) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCfqo-0005Ke-Sw; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:34 -0500 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014119.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.119]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po33.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nANKnQKr018466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:27 -0500 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 27453C071; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:27 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87zl6dgjt1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:47:22 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117622 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: >>> * beeping is often disturbing and unexpected, in particular for >>> scrolling past the beginning or end of the >>> buffer with the scroll wheel. (I agree. That's hardly an error.) >> >> yes, I agree with you, beeping is often disturbing. You can disable it, >> changing the value of visible-bell to t: > This is bug#1305. That discussion never came to a conclusion. One complication, now that I recall, is that we really do want to signal an error for beginning-of-buffer and end-of-buffer, so that keyboard macros will terminate. The problem is that we have no mechanism for telling Emacs not to ring the bell for certain classes of errors. But I'm not sure Emacs should even be in the bell-ringing business, anyway; it's a barbaric practice, and an echo-area message IMHO suffices.