From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Walter Alejandro Iglesias Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The copyright issue Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:35:13 +0200 Message-ID: <874oexdiqm.fsf@roquesor.com> References: <19546.32875.515000.117266@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4C5BF992.9050909@online.de> <87zkwq7bnt.fsf@roquesor.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281753337 18377 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2010 02:35:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 02:35:37 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 14 04:35:35 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ok6at-0004tX-G6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:35:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50440 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ok6as-0004WD-OE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:35:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45567 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ok6am-0004Vy-Gr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:35:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ok6al-00040H-Hr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:35:28 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:49169) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ok6al-000402-6K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 22:35:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ok6ag-0004qO-VK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:35:22 +0200 Original-Received: from 83.41.83.56 ([83.41.83.56]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:35:22 +0200 Original-Received: from eloi by 83.41.83.56 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:35:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 32 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.41.83.56 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:3Rvu2mHurRlGLdsLoHtM5RyKU2g= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128656 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > The aim of the GNU Project is to win freedom for software users. > The only way I can relate your message to the issue > is to interpret it as defeatism. Please take that somewhere else. > Whether you think we will succeed or fail is not relevant > because we are going to try anyway. Obviously, my thinking does not have "cow super powers". It would be wonderful to be able to change the world with just my thinking! You said that popularity of GNU is not important for you. This means that you think that the fact that people just 'use' or 'consume' free software in not the point. This is exactly what I meant with my particular 'acid' sense of humor: people must understand 'why' to use free software. This is relevant. I think you've already succeed in develop free software. You gave people the option; this is a big achievement. But the other half is initiative and responsibility of the other. To transgress this barrier is not respect the other. Besides, what kind of achievment is to convice people to be free. It is contradictory. What is important is not the "state" but the wish. And this is innate of each one. There is nothing that you can do at this level. To assume this is not defeatism, is to be able to live without fool yourself (what is most people cinically do and call optimism). Well I know this is not the place to discuss this. So I take your word and I will take this somewhere else. Preferably where each one can say what really think... Ops! This is an Utopia. :)