From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Return
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:30:16 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874oapwnon.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bp4x37ey.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
David Kastrup writes:
> I don't think anybody minds the features.
IIRC rms has recently declared his dislike for CL-style keyword
arguments. I suppose that's part of the "syntactic complexity" you
mention, but MON KEY OTOH points out cases where he'd like to use
them. So there are some fundamental disagreements here.
There are also people who would like full-blown CL conformance in
Emacs. You could argue they could get that with Hemlock, but then
they don't get full-blown Emacs conformance. (I'm not sure why they
think it would be easier to turn Emacs Lisp into Common Lisp, than to
turn Hemlock into a fully compatible implementation of GNU Emacs, but
there you have it.)
> cl does not lend itself to that approach. Its code is highly complex
> and utterly underdocumented. You have to trust it to do the right
> thing. I hate doing that.
I think everybody agrees with all of those points, except that some
people are happy to trust now and debug later.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-12-07 16:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-12-05 23:55 Return MON KEY
2010-12-06 1:48 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-06 5:50 ` Return MON KEY
2010-12-06 7:20 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-06 9:00 ` Return David Kastrup
2010-12-06 19:11 ` Return Stefan Monnier
2010-12-06 19:09 ` Return Stefan Monnier
2010-12-06 19:19 ` Return Chong Yidong
2010-12-06 20:27 ` Return Stefan Monnier
2010-12-07 4:47 ` Return Miles Bader
2010-12-07 9:17 ` Return David Kastrup
2010-12-07 17:10 ` Return Stefan Monnier
2010-12-07 22:15 ` Return David Kastrup
2010-12-08 15:50 ` Return Fren Zeee
2010-12-09 22:38 ` Return Stefan Monnier
2010-12-10 1:41 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-10 3:44 ` Return Stefan Monnier
2010-12-10 8:28 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-23 5:39 ` Return Fren Zeee
2010-12-07 12:44 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-07 14:38 ` Return David Kastrup
2010-12-07 16:14 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-07 17:11 ` Return tomas
2010-12-07 2:42 ` Return MON KEY
2010-12-07 14:34 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-07 15:54 ` Return David Kastrup
2010-12-07 16:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2010-12-08 13:42 ` Return Richard Stallman
2010-12-10 7:42 ` Return Daniel Colascione
2010-12-10 8:53 ` Keyword args (was: Return) Helmut Eller
2010-12-13 2:10 ` Keyword args Daniel Colascione
2010-12-13 8:30 ` Helmut Eller
2010-12-13 20:00 ` Andy Wingo
2010-12-14 5:03 ` Miles Bader
2010-12-14 7:43 ` Helmut Eller
2010-12-07 22:55 ` Return MON KEY
2010-12-08 7:28 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-08 18:11 ` Return MON KEY
2010-12-09 8:37 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-07 23:21 ` Return Samuel Bronson
2010-12-08 8:06 ` Return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-08 20:51 ` Return Samuel Bronson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-11-26 23:01 return MON KEY
2010-11-26 8:57 return Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-26 9:19 ` return Tassilo Horn
2010-12-04 2:36 ` return Fren Zeee
2010-12-04 6:18 ` return Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-12-04 6:49 ` return Leo
2010-11-26 9:24 ` return Miles Bader
2010-11-26 9:36 ` return Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-26 9:54 ` return Miles Bader
2010-11-26 10:13 ` return Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-26 9:44 ` return Tassilo Horn
2010-11-26 14:59 ` return Stefan Monnier
2010-11-26 15:45 ` return Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-26 18:40 ` return Stefan Monnier
2010-11-27 1:31 ` return Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-11-27 2:49 ` return Stefan Monnier
2010-11-27 3:06 ` return Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2010-12-03 18:41 ` return Chong Yidong
2010-12-03 18:43 ` return Miles Bader
2010-12-03 19:46 ` return Chong Yidong
2010-12-03 21:26 ` return Chong Yidong
2010-12-03 22:29 ` return Stefan Monnier
2010-12-03 23:00 ` return Chong Yidong
2010-12-04 1:35 ` return Stefan Monnier
2010-12-04 3:23 ` return Chong Yidong
2010-12-06 16:13 ` return Davis Herring
2010-12-06 17:15 ` return Chong Yidong
2010-12-03 22:44 ` return Chong Yidong
2010-12-04 9:22 ` return Helmut Eller
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