From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: list-print-separator
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 10:01:17 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874o5mml36.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: jwvk4eiz8ug.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org
On Mon, 25 Apr 2011 11:51:46 -0300 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
SM> Hmm... I wouldn't try to compare the speed of `print' with that of `pp'
SM> since they do very different amounts of work and are implemented in
SM> languages whose performance is very different, but there's clearly room
SM> for improvement in pp's speed.
>> I want to print out a large ELisp data structure prettily. The Gnus
>> newsrc.eld, for example, or the Gnus registry hashtable. I'll use
>> whatever makes it happen as fast as possible.
SM> The newsrc.eld has never been pretty and it's never been a problem,
SM> AFAIK.
It's unreadable without newlines so you need manual fixups to look at it
when things go wrong.
SM> Not sure what's the "Gnus registry", so I can't comment on that.
It's a large hashtable with lots of alist members.
>> With my list-print-separator patch you get fast and OK-looking.
>> Are you concerned it's only useful sometimes? The speed penalty is
>> minor if it's not used.
SM> I'd rather make `pp' faster, or if it's too difficult split it into
SM> a "print-really-pretty" and "print-quickly-and-not-too-ugly".
The users most likely to benefit, at least for Gnus where I have
experience supporting them, are those who can't read ELisp well. They
are also less likely to complain or roll their own solution. So I hope
you see that this is not a "print pretty" request but a real need for
any package that uses ELisp's build-in serialization. I'm concerned
that your "good enough" solution will not be adopted because it will be
much slower than the native `print' serialization, and optimizing it is
much more work than my proposed patch of 4 lines.
Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-04-25 15:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-04-06 10:59 entry separator for printing hashtables Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-21 23:17 ` list-print-separator (was: entry separator for printing hashtables) Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-24 4:47 ` list-print-separator Stefan Monnier
2011-04-25 1:38 ` list-print-separator Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-25 12:41 ` list-print-separator Stefan Monnier
2011-04-25 12:54 ` list-print-separator Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-25 14:51 ` list-print-separator Stefan Monnier
2011-04-25 15:01 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2011-04-25 15:37 ` list-print-separator Stefan Monnier
2011-04-25 15:59 ` list-print-separator Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-25 16:55 ` list-print-separator Thierry Volpiatto
2011-04-25 17:28 ` list-print-separator Stefan Monnier
2011-04-25 17:55 ` list-print-separator Eli Zaretskii
2011-04-25 18:35 ` list-print-separator Stefan Monnier
2011-04-25 21:05 ` list-print-separator Andy Moreton
2011-04-25 22:45 ` list-print-separator Ted Zlatanov
2011-04-26 12:52 ` list-print-separator Andy Moreton
2011-04-26 12:55 ` list-print-separator Stefan Monnier
2011-04-26 15:23 ` list-print-separator Ted Zlatanov
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