From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daiki Ueno Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opportunistic STARTTLS in smtpmail.el Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:44:59 +0900 Message-ID: <874o484aas.fsf-ueno@unixuser.org> References: <87liyndz5l.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87y61nnpoq.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwnuacc5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878vtmo081.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87tycamhmv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87pqmxvfoh.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjrttwh8.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762oocrd4.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1307022345 29527 80.91.229.12 (2 Jun 2011 13:45:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:45:45 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 02 15:45:41 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QS8DV-0001pX-Nb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 15:45:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47646 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS8DU-0000cw-ED for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:45:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:53367) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS8D6-0000br-ES for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:45:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS8D2-0003rq-Bk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:45:14 -0400 Original-Received: from ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp ([219.117.176.192]:35931) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QS8D0-0003oZ-FE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:45:11 -0400 Original-Received: from ([192.168.0.187]) (envelope sender: ) by ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp with Active!Hunter esmtp server; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:45:06 +0900 Original-Received: Received: from well-done.deisui.org (g187018.scn-net.ne.jp [202.83.187.18]) (authenticated) by blue17.scn-net.ne.jp (unknown) with ESMTP id p52Dj5Tn021409 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:45:06 +0900 In-Reply-To: <8762oocrd4.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Thu, 02 Jun 2011 08:09:11 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Received-From: 219.117.176.192 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140063 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > It will be less necessary as the first `auth-sources' choice, but still > useful, as Robert noted (I see case 2 as "encrypted tokens" since any > token can be encrypted in my proposal). Could you define the word "token"? I have thought that it is an opaque value which connects unencrypted data to encrypted data. However, it seems not. > I'll simply make `auth-sources' ("~/.authinfo" "~/.authinfo.gpg") > > which as a default will work fine. Creation prompts will target the > first one. The users can put insecure or token-encrypted data in the > first one and use the second one for more secure storage. Though I can't say anything without the detail of your proposal, I feel you are oversimplifying. Anyway I will be happy if: - Gnus does not ask password when connecting to password-less services - Gnus does not store my passwords in plain text files by default - Gnus can hide server or user names (or other attributes) if necessary Otherwise, no persistent password store is much better for me... Regards, -- Daiki Ueno