From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: No sources for lisp/international/uni-*.el? Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 10:02:21 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143046 Archived-At: Andreas Röhler writes: > Am 09.08.2011 03:44, schrieb Richard Stallman: >> > Hm, for example lisp/international/uni-name.el doesn't look like "the >> > preferred form of the work for making modifications to it". The file >> > rather has the appearence of line noise. ;-) >> >> Maybe that memory concerned some other files. I said I might be >> wrong. >> >> Since these files are not under the GPL, we are not leading anyone to >> violate the GPL. So there is no legal issue, but there remains an >> ethical issue: is it wrong for a release to contain generated files >> made from sources that are distributed separately? > > In case you answer "yes", you must include the gcc-sources as well. [And it gets more absurd with every following sentence] Could you take your confused nonsense elsewhere? As usual, you have no idea what you are actually talking about. To quote from the GPL: The "Corresponding Source" for a work in object code form means all the source code needed to generate, install, and (for an executable work) run the object code and to modify the work, including scripts to control those activities. However, it does not include the work's System Libraries, or general-purpose tools or generally available free programs which are used unmodified in performing those activities but which are not part of the work. You have not read and understood the GPL, _and_ you have not read and understood relevant commentary about it. Yet you proceed not just lecturing the Emacs developer list about it, but feel self-important enough to include Richard Stallman in an additional copy of your nonsensical blatherings. Do you really think you can find anybody on this list who is even more clueless than you are about what is written in the GPL? So where is the point in your tirades? Not even on the XEmacs lists you pestered for while, where you should be preaching to the choir, did anybody join in your incoherent licensing rants. So could you please stay on the sidelines when you have nothing useful to contribute? Thanks. If you have problems with the English language, there are German translations of the GPL to be found. Try reading the one at . Whether you prefer reading the original or a translation, you really should try to understand the main point of each clause before making statements about the GPL, whether on this list or anywhere else. There is also the FAQ about the GPL at which might clarify a few things. I apologize to the other list members for the tone in this mail. -- David Kastrup