From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:21:07 +0000 Message-ID: <874n3vauik.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <52FCD2B4.5080006@yandex.ru> <52FD9F1D.50205@yandex.ru> <83mwhucg1h.fsf@gnu.org> <878ute589i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d2iqc84m.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqgxkcr9.fsf@yandex.ru> <834n41db0d.fsf@gnu.org> <52FE2985.4070703@yandex.ru> <831tz5daes.fsf@gnu.org> <8738jlohd6.fsf@yandex.ru> <83txc1bl83.fsf@gnu.org> <5300189A.9090208@yandex.ru> <83wqgv9fbj.fsf@gnu.org> <20140216180712.236069f6@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <83sirj9cyp.fsf@gnu.org> <20140217203145.71a849f7@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <837g8t8ouc.fsf@gnu.org> <20140219080524.25689b6b@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <87fvnfqyfv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1392830505 20975 80.91.229.3 (19 Feb 2014 17:21:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 19 18:21:51 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAqD-0002rB-LT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:21:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60906 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAqD-0004DU-6A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:21:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59905) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAq5-0004DM-Bx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:21:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAq0-00073u-Jo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:21:41 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:42659) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WGAq0-00073l-Bn; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:21:36 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129]) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1WGApz-0004Gv-EU; Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:21:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost (jangai.ncl.ac.uk [10.66.67.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s1JHLZU1017941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 19 Feb 2014 17:21:35 GMT In-Reply-To: <87fvnfqyfv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (David Kastrup's message of "Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:49:40 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169767 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > I've never learnt working with Bzr and never checked out the Emacs > repository with it. > > That did not preclude me from sending the occasional patch to the list, > based on the Git mirror of the Emacs repository. etc/CONTRIBUTE doesn't mention this. > With regard to copyright assignments, you pretend that it is some magic > ritual of initiation. There is nobody who'd be more glad than the FSF > if this kind of paperwork was without merit and unneeded. Thank your > law makers for that. Or better, tell them that you want them to work on > getting back the situation before the Berne convention where copyright > is only asserted when a copyright notice is placed in a document. Copyright assignment is a significant barrier to entry, I think, when projects have started *outside* emacs and then come in. Getting your own papers done is enough without having to encouraging others. Not the FSF fault, I agree. Perhaps the FSF should generate a nice icon, or have a public list (for those that want it) of those who have already done this assignment. It would be a small badge of honour, but would also make it easier for people developing outside whether a potential contributor has already had this done. A FSF-ready icon would be good also, that people could put in their README. Just a thought. Phil