From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 15:22:29 +0100 Message-ID: <874n3iyp5m.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87y50z90pd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87txbn8r6x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8338j717oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjlf6tdx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83sir7yue7.fsf@gnu.org> <8761o3dlak.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87vbvzcjv9.fsf@engster.org> <87iorz18fy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vbvyv08q.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhwuyycb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bnxquius.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393683747 23722 80.91.229.3 (1 Mar 2014 14:22:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 14:22:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 01 15:22:36 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WJkoF-0005Zj-GM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 15:22:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59936 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJkoE-00044p-WC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:22:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60628) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJkoB-00044Y-IX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:22:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJkoA-0000I7-QC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:22:31 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37068) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJkoA-0000I3-N3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:22:30 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44244 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJkoA-0006Io-2N; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:22:30 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 94F7CDF638; Sat, 1 Mar 2014 15:22:29 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83bnxquius.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 01 Mar 2014 15:52:11 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169993 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: David Kastrup >> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 12:04:04 +0100 >> >> > I actually don't understand why are we talking about compilers as the >> > only viable infrastructure for the features being discussed. >> >> It's basically the UNIX philosophy to employ dedicated tools for the job >> they have been written for. > > I'm not at all sure this philosophy is applicable to the issue at > hand, or to complex interactive environments the kind of Emacs in > general. We are a long way from the classic batch-mode Unix pipeline, > where (AFAIK) this philosophy originated. [...] Well, I tried summarizing my view of the situation, and you summarized yours. We arrive at different conclusions from what appears like the same information. But I suppose we have a sufficient amount of summaries to have people wanting to take some action see what may and may not work to take them where. -- David Kastrup