From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 16:25:34 +0530 Message-ID: <874n35ypg9.fsf@gmail.com> References: <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87sir336qn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20140301215057.GA19461@thyrsus.com> <87fvn1y0vx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fvn0senq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761nusb90.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <531EAD89.5010505@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1394535305 1535 80.91.229.3 (11 Mar 2014 10:55:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 11 11:55:13 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WNKL3-0002y7-Fl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:55:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53366 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNKL2-00072T-Vn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:55:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50693) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNKKt-0006ia-Hv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:55:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNKKn-00058e-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235]:56999) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNKKn-00058D-7M; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 06:54:57 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id ld10so8604575pab.26 for ; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 03:54:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=mVyvyMTgPMh4JCGmnqBkAkswL4avnj+ea5Dcsf2gplg=; b=t1S4yjxU6qTJfFlxKsHvX7sQYObDea8h8rAIZgt4z+LpcikwF9QLsH3Y8w6l0X8nOx jl9g5zsBTBHgPrvR0CytTyHXt8XYe7460FFdiHvIz0zjAqTLhXS9BTNo6zMYhrsYMhr8 JL7qd23mSwK+l9XUTtnBamf/g9V+eUbZ3od+Ql4whQu7cjKEY05+JAZB/Ou/cN/GOm9S lYGUVW0U4PX0x1ViwMtLb7JKMaTVGpg1Bl3FcmdgD2RdL8OO1FAcohWe0fQG3pg5xbLb YCHWRuD2DJculn2mJz8djiNZbRC49nGDOKRgck9NmLGslts6VI5k2ovBIpfxsui3iJO0 GcBQ== X-Received: by 10.68.132.130 with SMTP id ou2mr46988272pbb.107.1394535295943; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.253.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ug9sm73178907pbc.11.2014.03.11.03.54.52 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Mar 2014 03:54:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <531EAD89.5010505@dancol.org> (Daniel Colascione's message of "Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:30:33 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170276 Archived-At: Daniel Colascione writes: > Do you really think developers will choose inferior tools, and thereby > work harder, die sooner, and provide less for their children all With a single sweeping statement you have overlooked the staunch loyalist, the staunch detractor and all the in betweens. Even in this very thread I can categorize people and their position in to these three buckets with little or no effort. As an Emacs user and a contributor, it is best to articulate how you are personally impacted by a decision that GNU project makes. You have little stake in whether GNU succeeds or not. (When I am saying this, I assume that you don't confuse your wish for GNU's success to mean that you have pledged your personal resources for it's success). I am sure you realize that FSF folks have a belly. Their income is from the work that they do. If you feel strongly that GNU project is wrong, the best way to do it is re-consider your donation - in terms of code or money or voluntary involvement in the community. Unless you get your foot in to the FSF or GNU's board-room, it is unlikely that your arguments in this list will make a significant impact. Remember the old maxim: The fox that fattens is the one that is fed. Keep feeding GNU. It will continue to fatten irrespective of whether some other beast is fattening or not.