From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:04:18 +0200 Message-ID: <874mv7yhgd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87zjd9swfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87oatnqpml.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874mvdrj45.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141009044917.GA19957@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhopisfr.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppe1pldu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761ft5wpo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83k349b0vj.fsf@gnu.org> <83bnph96kh.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppdwo7ll.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <543BE7CB.9040801@cs.ucla.edu> <87egubopls.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bnpfyjaf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a94zoo57.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413223494 23517 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2014 18:04:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 13 20:04:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XdjzB-00073Q-Mh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:04:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34652 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdjzB-0002Ga-9x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:04:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38502) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdjz8-0002GU-H4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:04:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdjz1-00021r-8K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:04:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40562) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdjz1-00021n-5P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:04:35 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47738 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xdjz0-00035a-8A; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 14:04:34 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DC7F8E069D; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 20:04:18 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87a94zoo57.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Tue, 14 Oct 2014 02:49:56 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175335 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > David Kastrup writes: > > > Binary is quite unpractical when you are working in a locale > > The Emacs source tree evidently doesn't *have* a locale in the > relevant sense since it has multiple encodings. > > > and the vast majority of output fits it. Then you want to have > > things displayed according to locale and have that stuff which > > doesn't fit formatted as some sort of recognizable escape sequence. > > For Paul's example, I suppose binary would work just fine, since he's > searching for ASCII and Emacs sources are probably over 95% ASCII. > > And in *my* locale, the whole locale concept sucks becaues no matter > what locale I choose somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3 of the text (all > perfectly intelligible Japanese) will be unreadable according to that > locale. And 100% illegible is better? > The real world is stranger and more dangerous than you imagine. Apparently. -- David Kastrup