From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:58:16 +0900 Message-ID: <874msl69fb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <5498C82D.5080605@cs.ucla.edu> <837fxjovxd.fsf@gnu.org> <21656.63274.136679.369052@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <831tnqp6mq.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419394565 761 80.91.229.3 (24 Dec 2014 04:16:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2014 04:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, adatgyujto@gmail.com, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 24 05:15:53 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3dMW-0002I2-Lx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 05:15:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47021 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3dMW-0004So-08 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:15:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55614) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3dMR-0004Pv-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:15:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3dMQ-0002GV-5R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:15:47 -0500 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:59136) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3dMK-0002F1-Iz; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:15:40 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64A9E1C38EB; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:58:16 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4A1351A2CFC; Wed, 24 Dec 2014 11:58:16 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <831tnqp6mq.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" acf1c26e3019 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180616 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:01:30 +0900 > > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > > Paul is on the side of the angels, he just wants to add a new useful > > tool (web search) > > That's a no-brainer. Apparently the word "just" was not. Despite his disclaimers, you took his post as a deprecation of manuals in Info format. > No one said anything to the contrary, so there's no need to argue > with that non-existing argument. Please slow down, Eli. Nobody said there was an argument with that. My intention was to imply that you seem to be misinterpreting his post which was intended to say that, and not intended to say that web search should *replace* Info indexes. Obviously the courtesy was wasted and I should have said "you seem to be misinterpreting" explicitly. > Web search is a valuable tool when you want to expand on the > information you found in the manuals. However, for information > that is in the manuals, Info is usually faster and more accurate. "Nobody said anything to the contrary, so why are you arguing with that nonexistent argument?" Some people are arguing that for them and for people like them Emacs manuals at present do *not* have the necessary information indexed, and that therefore web search is a relatively cheap way to improve access to information about Emacs. A few deprecate Info manuals[1], it's true, but surely Paul doesn't. Footnotes: [1] Because they believe "people like them" to be the great majority, and apparently that people like you will adapt to the new format at little cost -- I believe the second half is quite false.