From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christian Kruse Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development suggestions from an ENSIME developer Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:30:00 +0200 Message-ID: <874m7k5qmv.fsf@defunct.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1469025066 20235 80.91.229.3 (20 Jul 2016 14:31:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:31:06 +0000 (UTC) To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 20 16:30:57 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bPsWW-00045U-Cy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:30:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34919 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bPsWV-00066N-Ge for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:30:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54441) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bPsVf-00062D-Bh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:30:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bPsVa-0001MV-9Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:30:03 -0400 Original-Received: from jugulator.defunced.de ([89.238.65.41]:59265) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bPsVa-0001MR-2f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:29:58 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jugulator.defunced.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB36726E039; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:29:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at defunct.ch Original-Received: from jugulator.defunced.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (jugulator.defunced.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kZx-RKrPh7Qy; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:29:56 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (p54952972.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.149.41.114]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by jugulator.defunced.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C502F726E034; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:29:55 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Notmuch/0.22 (https://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 89.238.65.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205882 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > An open letter was posted on dar interwebs > > https://medium.com/@fommil/open-letter-to-the-emacs-maintainers-226cb67a9= 61f#.1pq4ienoh While I disagree on a lot of the premises (e.g. the email/mailing list thing - most of the developers I know are pretty happy with email and lists) I think he has a point: it is *very* hard to get into Emacs coding. I tried it more than once but failed. Documentation seems very distributed (for a look here, for b look over there, ...), a clear step-by-step guide to get a build environment including running tests seems to be missing. E.g. why is there no "contribute" document on the shiny new website? Heck, I even failed to find beginner bugs in the bug tracker. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to by grumpy, I am extremly grateful for the hard work you people do. Best regards, =2D-=20 Christian Kruse https://wwwtech.de/about --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXj4rpAAoJELjg80Kpmp1zxE8QAMChOuq6BDvoHialioOyqtRf /sULwL7pGihZi4LRRb4ljjZ2KmwWA2NqZOZKt1or1E0wVz0zXsNo3BYGMIuLS6os i0rIJVn3hdEbRupJphgcV2mQ+XaMjbPTvdqtKKglrFlsEhO/zqUyiRrMsxy+qU0O dV+oAh11okJqgoO+Q1uUw2ooSK0S9WLsFmKqAlYA6D6Ym4m4WZs8Rs28yGvPORmP duOcjTPk+2+GXkG4FfjAz2hv8QejELVD1fba8DThOuAyp3dqTwRRPpXk7drhM7dA +5vX79Qs0ny5mFrn+ggMAH5cEqbQEIctbYfbH4qHmRaqWbAJ1YJUuKauOSzXZISD hp1rXYA13D99P5sStfIY6OzZ1ebec1b2Dk07jcFr1G6j0c85D1olBuEFFuM7brqi j+PuU9z0yie93xrAQmn+3LsmudlmIFeapAfYyfgIun8qyGRoFqmCx8IlWfIQLB0u cAtpw3svMMbqmE+C07BaX4g31+pf803KIXDWHaZzzAlYFWVpmlQe9esWISy7PzTZ uUtksKJcqHayJnieA6xWXi3bdKvfwkMdweCAUuyT96SGhI1A4Fdwv203mevFyNk2 ziw09GxdvKYoHPmo/8p23ov5zKVjn3ZA7CL58Sl1nkLYbsj0sHR7h0/3Qt8FxzeQ CD7AI0b1Lvkk3aVQmHLr =uV6a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--