From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mark Oteiza Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:15:24 -0400 Message-ID: <874ltfw55v.fsf@holos> References: <87fud4j9pw.fsf@holos> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1502396176 17443 195.159.176.226 (10 Aug 2017 20:16:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:16:16 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 10 22:16:11 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dftsJ-0004FM-4S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:16:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55101 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dftsP-0006UE-Eo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:16:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46815) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dftre-0006TE-Pl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:15:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dftra-0005pa-7Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:15:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qt0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::236]:36842) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dftra-0005os-2y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:15:26 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qt0-x236.google.com with SMTP id v29so10938438qtv.3 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:15:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=udel-edu.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=+/8LY2y+eZ2jbzsCC8gKhOd0VwuohQQsJ9qXk4ZJfss=; b=Ol4VYBvTitm23AcocGZGaZyrXfrun+YizMCC8x7Fphahtm+i4uOUbcOImWBjxMC2az a1is7XzM1hhEmuvwefdpKEhD517vi9Y2FhE9EYDKLhhf2IsJBVlPxhklHl87uvmcaN5/ V+IX5/QtbUZ/m66zpb1YVsXMlsMq7ZxPgKILSgthncC9m49zT4oN4ShAi3ObX17gTbf8 RBZA60XjSB5hX8k+SoNKzxTdojWAKG/ant/G/3lLLAmhZHSDvYx8gVlLTLLP9v8rVKs3 44WZfLROgZUPsXji4QePip9/zffBTIBt6MhOvyLpiTktrPUe5ZkuX8m8ODSl5GRYMh5u 1CCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=+/8LY2y+eZ2jbzsCC8gKhOd0VwuohQQsJ9qXk4ZJfss=; b=NPApqdqnF7wyULIai2A17vwlLiywunPwu0ex9XruKQC+G3p2E0g9PAu9QNupi+4fU/ fQruofaX2SimKenltDcJR4BpHAW9Q95uaBqEYWIKeEa5iU3glYTJugdXLQEXyr4fgZ2n kIf5zUbH04vnnR1YAnzntC4ZaFjnYZJ8+6XGbFJ9USCzu6w92o6dGSQJ3wu2xgJnm/IQ bhey4QWAj/bngPrwZF0b+4OkipUDoj2y76w8Fm4/6NeHvTXSt1QlqRSvzkWqAHM2YMCf AQlHr5ZYLMsgyI8LlEcelmR6F1RV6tYUjACUHSjGtaknWl3GRODYhLeq8/TiofmrgHMZ Pcrw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5hWmAppoyXxJDhEnA1qKUNyHOyqe6GBoiAXI+5gRl9XUuOV4dYO noaKDnoiWo6plZGTuGsk0g== X-Received: by 10.237.37.140 with SMTP id x12mr17361544qtc.133.1502396125348; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from holos.localdomain (pool-173-64-88-95.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net. [173.64.88.95]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c50sm4804427qte.55.2017.08.10.13.15.24 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 10 Aug 2017 13:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by holos.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 23C0968E5E; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:15:24 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 07 Aug 2017 20:47:57 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217400 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> - subverts `package-load-list' settings > > I don't know what this problem is. package-load-list controls which autoload files for installed packages get loaded. Setting it in init.el works until package.el clobbers the init file, putting package-initialize first. >> - breaks setting of package-archives that would normally happen before >> calling `package-initialize' > > How so? Same as above, calling package-initialize before setting archives, one won't see the correct archives. This is even documented in (info "(emacs) Package Installation"), albeit not thoroughly--only package-load-list is mentioned explicitly in this context.