From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hw Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 09:52:16 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <874lex94cv.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <83k1nxvm5j.fsf@gnu.org> <877ejxsm18.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <874lf0oul4.fsf@toy.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536581858 18876 195.159.176.226 (10 Sep 2018 12:17:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:17:38 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: lokedhs@gmail.com, cpitclaudel@gmail.com, "Charles A. Roelli" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 10 14:17:33 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fzL8G-0004l1-SN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:17:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51376 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLAN-0001Tn-9u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:19:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48420) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzL2s-0000wb-0p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:12:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzKyr-0001wW-GC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:07:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mo6-p01-ob.smtp.rzone.de ([2a01:238:20a:202:5301::6]:19257) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzKyr-0001uK-9N; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:07:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1536581268; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=2mTHDCkYSYMrCKHr0Bh52E/RMrSMtGkYw4Zo4nMUNYM=; b=cZ4er/w9h6v612OfNIj1NzGQ2IGpou6jJVK8GTpaDE66hnRI74wlXCfyCenm/iEZOZ gowVpZ/a3lP8brSAF+wxM5/HHZA8/Lfa5E7eHIjVq7QQ+c50KTpgk0InRKTAR/bqsOch 6oqsYNCHxEKCE7bdmfL/ArSkntvKTFEOAQh5uRBGNkIbEgbqIrFhrh2QaRiJvgptArnc nvifkGCuvn4ljcqsR8qv0BhTkZ3t0AOqu1hkAnh5+jP7CkIQA8EoxTTLPTMpqngAnN5F pDdHv5FEKu4fLIIjEI0wYxb3cCvApzHk+/9a6o/lnMHbrQ39uYqqJ+xJtbmQxm7xp2NQ 6HPA== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+AVdIIwXjneEe9k=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Original-Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.0 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e03b99u8AC7bGs7 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:07:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fzKye-0000xH-UW; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:07:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 09 Sep 2018 02:08:20 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:238:20a:202:5301::6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229618 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > How come it wasn't distinguished between the concept of a region being > > > active and the visual aid of marking a region? > > > Separating these two concepts could be useful, but Emacs would then > > need some other way of showing the user that a region is active, like > > a mode line indicator. > > We could have another minor mode to control whether Backspace deletes > an active region. That would solve the problem for me. We would still > have the issue of what the default should be. I think the whole concept of regions could use an overhaul. The next mode after the one saving backspace from deleting regions might make it so that delete deletes regions because it should work in consistency with backspace when the backspace mode is not enabled.