From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com>
Cc: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>, "John Wiegley" <johnw@gnu.org>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:58:49 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191118175639.08d02820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> (Perry E. Metzger's message of "Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:56:39 -0500")
"Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com> writes:
> Unfortunately, there's a potential negative cycle here. A certain
> percentage of users of free software become developers. If we start
> starving ourselves of users of Emacs, we end up becoming starved of
> developers for Emacs, too.
Indeed. Without attracting new users (and therefore new developers),
Emacs is moribund.
Kids these days don't use email. Have a look at all the enthusiastic
people talking about Emacs on reddit and Stackexchange -- it apparently
never occurs to many of them that it's even an option so fire off an
email to emacs-devel or use `M-x report-emacs-bug': It's just so far
outside their experience of how things work.
So I think having a modern interface for users to communicate with
developers is vital, because that is how we'll get more developers in
the long run. The trick is finding one that also supports the way more
er seasoned developers like to work, which is (basically) the way we
work now.
It sounds like Gitlab has most of what we need, but not everything, and
there seems to be a depressing dearth of development towards that goal.
Perhaps if we committed it might make some Gitlab peeps also commit to
making this work: That is, we say "If Gitlab grows feature X, Y and Z,
then Emacs development is definitely moving to Gitlab", that might spur
some enthusiasm.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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2019-11-17 11:30 ` "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:] Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-17 11:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 17:42 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-17 17:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 17:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-19 6:08 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-17 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 18:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 18:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 18:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 18:27 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-11-17 18:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 18:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 18:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-18 14:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-19 8:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-19 9:56 ` Robert Pluim
2019-11-19 11:00 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 11:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 16:38 ` Zach Pearson
2019-11-19 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-19 11:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-01 1:19 ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-01-01 5:32 ` Drew Adams
2020-01-01 10:48 ` VanL
2020-01-01 15:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-01 15:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-01-02 2:35 ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-01-02 23:45 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2020-01-22 12:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 20:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-11-17 21:33 ` João Távora
2019-11-17 22:05 ` dick.r.chiang
2019-11-17 22:19 ` Amin Bandali
2019-11-17 22:56 ` João Távora
2019-11-18 7:38 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18 8:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 8:54 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18 8:59 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 9:16 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18 9:17 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 9:23 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18 9:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 10:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-11-18 11:12 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18 10:52 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18 11:35 ` dick.r.chiang
2019-11-19 4:58 ` Amin Bandali
2019-11-17 18:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 8:06 ` Steinar Bang
2019-11-17 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 18:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 18:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 18:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-17 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 19:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-17 19:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-17 19:53 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-17 19:59 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 20:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 20:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 20:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 20:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 20:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 8:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 11:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 11:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 11:36 ` João Távora
2019-11-18 12:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 12:21 ` João Távora
2019-11-18 11:58 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-17 20:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 20:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 3:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-18 14:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 14:46 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-19 8:32 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 1:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19 6:08 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-19 11:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 11:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 16:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 16:53 ` João Távora
2019-11-20 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 19:29 ` João Távora
2019-11-20 20:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 20:12 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 15:00 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 15:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:09 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 15:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 15:30 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 18:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 19:16 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 19:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 13:10 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 20:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 7:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 8:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22 9:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 9:46 ` João Távora
2019-11-22 10:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 10:16 ` João Távora
2019-11-22 10:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 12:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 14:28 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 20:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-19 6:08 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-17 19:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 20:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-11-18 16:22 ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-18 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-18 22:23 ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-18 17:59 ` John Wiegley
2019-11-18 18:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-18 18:17 ` João Távora
2019-11-18 20:53 ` John Wiegley
2019-11-19 7:41 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-19 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-18 19:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 22:56 ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:]) Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-18 23:40 ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ dick.r.chiang
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2019-11-20 8:20 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 9:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 9:23 ` Michael Albinus
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2019-11-20 9:51 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 10:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 10:56 ` Michael Albinus
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2019-11-27 15:22 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-27 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27 16:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-27 16:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27 16:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-28 9:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-28 16:30 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-29 5:26 ` Richard Stallman
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2019-11-27 15:14 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-26 18:07 ` defaults contents of report-emacs-bug Glenn Morris
2019-11-27 5:00 ` Sergey Organov
2019-11-27 5:01 ` Sergey Organov
2019-11-23 13:14 ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ Richard Stallman
2019-11-23 0:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-23 8:36 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-23 10:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-23 13:28 ` VanL
2019-11-23 16:04 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-23 16:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 17:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-24 1:57 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-24 2:45 ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-24 3:44 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-25 3:18 ` Richard Stallman
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2019-11-26 3:46 ` Richard Stallman
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2019-11-24 18:31 ` Drew Adams
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2019-11-24 3:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-24 20:16 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-24 21:42 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-28 10:20 ` Philippe Vaucher
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2019-11-28 0:48 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-28 10:43 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-29 5:21 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-23 11:59 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-25 3:11 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-25 16:50 ` Karl Fogel
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2019-12-02 5:41 ` Richard Stallman
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2019-11-21 14:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 17:59 ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen.") Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-21 18:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 20:42 ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-22 3:42 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 19:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-23 13:09 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 21:32 ` John Wiegley
2019-11-22 2:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-22 4:30 ` John Wiegley
2019-11-25 20:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-23 13:20 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-22 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-22 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 20:26 ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-21 21:18 ` John Wiegley
2019-11-22 3:42 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-22 8:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 11:05 ` Achim Gratz
2019-11-21 3:06 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-20 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-21 12:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-24 22:06 ` David Engster
2019-11-24 23:58 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-22 14:28 ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2019-12-30 0:17 ` Richard Stallman
2019-12-30 7:54 ` Tim Cross
2019-12-31 0:40 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-20 10:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 11:00 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 11:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 11:39 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 11:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 13:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 13:55 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 14:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 14:23 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-21 11:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 13:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:14 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 15:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 15:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-21 18:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 13:11 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 11:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 19:27 ` Yuri Khan
2019-11-20 19:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 19:44 ` Yuri Khan
2019-11-20 19:49 ` Robert Pluim
2019-11-20 19:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 12:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-23 16:58 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-20 23:53 ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-20 16:19 ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:]) Richard Stallman
2019-11-20 16:50 ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ John Wiegley
2019-11-17 19:36 ` "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:] dick.r.chiang
2019-11-18 18:22 ` Karl Fogel
2019-11-20 16:37 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-11-20 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
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