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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252224 Archived-At: Konstantin Kharlamov writes: > Oh, sure I can be mistaken. I see you replied to Dmitry's email, I had a = follow- > up on it. Does my follow-up mail change your opinion, or perhaps do you h= ave > some example in mind that a good commit message without the list would not > solve? I might have read it. I'm not saying good commit messages are impossible without the summarizing list; I'm just saying it's a good thing to have, something I've grown accustomed to. When composing them, they're a good exercise in self-review. But of course there's more ways to skin a cat. This just happens to be the way we use here. It's not "for fun". Of course is a mental cost in composing them, especially if you don't do it often and use the friendly C-x 4 a shortcut. But there is a gain, too. Jo=C3=A3o