From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 23:10:39 +0300 Message-ID: <874ko8rpvk.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32562"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 28.0.50 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 08 22:20:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFk66-0008Jh-SB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 22:20:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57642 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFk65-0001Ns-Tu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:20:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46132) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFjx3-0002Vg-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:10:49 -0400 Original-Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:34515) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFjx1-0005Rs-Hh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 16:10:49 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 31.206.236.86 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [31.206.236.86]) (Authenticated sender: self@gkayaalp.com) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E9DD4C000D for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2020 20:10:40 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: D09D40C2-FF5C-4D1B-A030-C710297C1AE0@gmail.com Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.70.183.198; envelope-from=self@gkayaalp.com; helo=relay6-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/08 16:10:41 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254809 Archived-At: On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 15:30:56 -0400, Yuan Fu wrote: > I generally agree with your point. However, what I have in mind is not > changing defaults, but rather a configuration wizard, that can prompt > user and let him select from Emacs binding vs CUA binding, Emacs undo > vs simple undo/redo, themes, etc. I=E2=80=99ve seen such wizard in Intellj > Idea, Spacemacs, etc. Something like (just an example): That looks pretty reasonable to me. Maybe it=E2=80=99d pop up if user does= not have a =E2=80=98user-init-file=E2=80=99, maybe with a prelude that asks "He= y, you don=E2=80=99t have an init file, do you want to run the initial configuration wizard"? Also, at the end, maybe redirect the user to a revised version of C-h t that accomodates the preferences in the wizard. IDK how relevant, but my observation is that most inexperienced users are coming to Emacs for Org mode. So maybe making https://orgmode.org more informative for Emacs newbies could help too. Maybe create a couple =E2=80=98official=E2=80=99 video walkthroughs comparing these custom= isations versus traditional Emacs way, pros and cons to each. -- =C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427