From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?B?R8O2a3R1xJ8=?= Kayaalp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:00:37 +0300 Message-ID: <874ko2t8be.fsf@gkayaalp.com> References: <20200909165723.kdnwicwvplmezusr@Ergus> <20200910102000.2t6tsju745xutg7u@Ergus> <20200910110832.ko66gqnqo4l664d6@Ergus> <20200911134225.zhnlq7cdhmu2iraj@Ergus> <20200911221435.go7b5kz2zcvxp2ft@Ergus> <20200912153723.ymnq3i5pugqf7lsy@Ergus> <87r1r6j488.fsf@gmail.com> <87o8maj1kh.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8885"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.2.0; emacs 28.0.50 Cc: ghe@sdf.org, "Alfred M. Szmidt" , casouri@gmail.com, Ergus , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 10:01:18 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHMwo-0002DX-Pa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 10:01:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56612 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHMwn-00087I-Ld for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 04:01:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHMwI-0007gx-3J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 04:00:46 -0400 Original-Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:48675) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHMwF-0006lX-P9; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 04:00:45 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 31.177.204.112 Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [31.177.204.112]) (Authenticated sender: self@gkayaalp.com) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C0784E0006; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 08:00:38 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: <87o8maj1kh.fsf@gmail.com> Received-SPF: none client-ip=217.70.183.196; envelope-from=self@gkayaalp.com; helo=relay4-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/13 03:43:52 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255442 Archived-At: On 2020-09-12 21:24 +03, TEC wrote: > #+RESULTS: > | row.names | mean | popularity weighted | age weighted | > |--------------------------+------+---------------------+--------------| > | DarkDefault | 0.7 | 0.83 | 0.7 | > | Bluey | 0.7 | 0.67 | 0.85 | > | Line.Numbers | 0.9 | 0.89 | 1 | > | StatusBarMatchBackground | 0.8 | 0.62 | 0.8 | Interesting indeed but comes with two major caveats: - To what extent should we take popularity as an indication that a feature should be included in Emacs? Might as well be the case that the unique features of Emacs is what makes it stand out (mind that we=E2=80=99re directly communicating with a= very little, opinionated sample of users here, inevitably). We wouldn=E2=80= =99t want to go the Firefox route. - The sample size is pretty small for making any conclusions. And that may be inevitable given how little the population (editors people actually use) already is. On a subjective note I think we=E2=80=99re exaggerating the role of Emacs= =E2=80=99 looks with regards to how it affects newcomers. And it=E2=80=99s solved as easil= y as M-x load-theme RET modus-vivendi RET post Emacs 28 (or some point-release of 27 maybe?), or today with a simple package install. What I wonder is how a change of default colours would affect other themes, because AFAIU as it is we don=E2=80=99t have a clean situation where each theme is independent of each other, but all of them depend on default. In which case fiddling with it means most smaller themes break in one way or another. Am I mistaken? -- =C4=B0. G=C3=B6ktu=C4=9F Kayaalp / @cadadr / pgp: 024C 30DD 597D 142B 49AC 40EB 465C D949 B101 2427