From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eduardo Mercovich Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 18:43:15 -0300 Message-ID: <874knta1e4.fsf@mercovich.net> References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <87d02haj4g.fsf@mercovich.net> <87ft7dn0um.fsf@posteo.net> <831rix3ci8.fsf@gnu.org> <878sd5aba5.fsf@mercovich.net> <83y2l51uh1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22162"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.3.3; emacs 27.1 Cc: self@gkayaalp.com, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 20 02:24:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kJn9o-0005di-0p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 02:24:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48848 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJn9n-000893-3A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 20:24:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51116) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJkhz-0004NC-L5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:47:51 -0400 Original-Received: from gil.mayfirst.org ([162.247.75.206]:57919) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJkhw-00050X-LA; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:47:51 -0400 Original-Received: from gil.mayfirst.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by gil.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC035ECB; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: xxxxx) with ESMTPSA id 914A35EB1 In-reply-to: <83y2l51uh1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Received-SPF: none client-ip=162.247.75.206; envelope-from=eduardo@mercovich.net; helo=gil.mayfirst.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/19 17:47:45 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 20:23:38 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256226 Archived-At: Hi. >> If we agreed on the general vision it's perfectly possible to do as the >> 1st step (MVP in some modern parlance) only the "General editor >> preferences" or the "Org-mode preferences". And even there, just a few >> of them.=20 > My advice is not try to bite a too large chunk of this -- the job is > not easy even without that. Sure. It's just a vision, there is no commitment, just a bit of thought to augment the probability of future integrity from an interaction design perspective. :) >> The idea proposed here is: >> 1. distributions first [...] > I don't see any need to do this, certainly not as the first step. If > someone wants one of those versions, they don't need us. New users don't know they exist... we are only opening their eyes. But of course, it can wait.=20 >> 2. General editor preferences [...] > My suggestion is to focus on this part alone. Getting that right is > not easy, and if successful, will be a significant advancement, IMO. Perfect. Is it there any agreed upon list of things on this front? If not, I can collect some from the list and maybe frequent questions in reddit, SE and somewhere else... >> 3. At last very last, other non-editing emacs big applications, like >> mail and such.=20 > Suggest to drop this one for now as well. Org mode as well. As before, we will start with the general editor. Just as a check, do you agree that it is desirable to separate text and opt= ions from the executable code? (sorry if my language is not appropriate, please correct me as much as needed, I'm not a native English speaker).=20 Because I'm trying a way to specify this in an org-mode file and it would be great if we can modify the wizard particular text and options without touching the code itself.=20 Or maybe having this in a literate file, alternating both text and code (but not mixed with UI text inside the code).=20 --=20 eduardo mercovich Donde se cruzan tus talentos=20 con las necesidades del mundo,=20 ah=C3=AD est=C3=A1 tu vocaci=C3=B3n.=20 (An=C3=B3nimo)