From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:48:01 +0100 Message-ID: <874kknp1lq.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32767"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 15 15:49:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpBe4-0008PM-Ah for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:49:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39492 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpBe3-0005NW-8B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:49:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpBcf-0003rh-5m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:48:17 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:46504) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpBcd-0002F3-HX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:48:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=iM9RLMM+0rZs1baAxZwj6VD8/mDYWQ762nktCgvFtSw=; b=nyIsIcvzLnrdJLAeCuFwlEBbQw 7uF4CbVHfkNHukwSeb2FnwGdD28d+D+RU9qO0N+OdXeoNCmN7t8+KNe12a/Dz5NQAq3GNyHldReo/ 6yySXBAcgMA2gu3LCeTxy4Ps050goIBRR0f8hIItotfV+ulAf0awIY+hFsQXXxz4ph/o=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpBcR-0003Vp-0D; Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:48:08 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEXEvZnq4q97dWb/ //9ewNLAAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+QMDw4qGzMCJq0AAAGrSURBVCjPddFBa5xAFAfw 56CwnZOREdKbCQnY+RQqEeyexjAvhD3toYdNP8XsshuKJw9t6XGUFNz3KfNcKfQSD8rPN47v/Qeu gqhtVd3WiAigJ01EeppqhIdqlF7fyiEPEEr0UpKAe/iC0NaNuCaA0A0Ipn50IGekDETfiDhUR97N IjYAAzT9gs2uWMFLyVCIdmuaOIiWCmbt1+r4c4EFcyU6NSNFdDGIkZ+A8w3c4XWBVaFw42+8oLUg 49v4gsjaIjnq/h+MdHSppAGaQr8uOJWWcaCY54ZGHOOikgvWZGLBIaxaRjVBKzmSlYm44qMyaAQN igPJg6g8bUv55hjOpOFnx58CI7DpQ9VvE7qpL5OWj0krkjkQ/vPdtYkLt59Hwee7F34NPxjuz3OT yzflPcP35fpAZ8oHTpTSdkfea3nPlQntjnNfyRHnI/nmXQi607wsUpNXGOXj5sQdGBrT4lc2Jnw+ CvTY21RlhzNvoDufmyobiPE383DjhTxrXrZHvXIkaPrOGExDHWdAyZ57KzceOubpEze7lvA0V+ZG CzlJQSOD08H/ro/xDjlQsnctCKEzAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIwLTEyLTE1VDE0OjQy OjI3KzAwOjAwjqhcvAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMC0xMi0xNVQxNDo0MjoyNyswMDow MP/15AAAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Baby Dee's _Goes Down to Amsterdam (1)_: "Compass Of The Light" In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:29:54 -0500") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260867 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > For most major modes, it's hard to find a justification for a toolbar, > and for some major modes, OTOH, it's a no-brainer (e.g. mpc.el). > But I don't think we've done a good job of making use of the toolbar for > the middle ground. True, there are modes where the toolbar may be useful, and a media player might be one of them. And prev/next/reload in a browser may be something people might use. But there aren't a lot of these modes, and you may as well put the buttons in the mode line, which is already there, and which nobody much disables. If you compare the Emacs mode line with a modern "tool bar" (for instance, the Crome line at the top), they're not that different. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no